Kimmaytube's Length Check

[*Happily Me*]

wow! nice hair

 

[*Happily Me*]

I don't think that's type 4 hair. if it is, it's more 3c with a lil bit of 4a.

 

[GraciousMystique]

She's a type 4. Go back and look at her earlier videos. She does an up close texture shot, when completely dry, her hair shrinks into a small fro with no apparent curl pattern. My sister who has 4b natural hair, has a lot more shrinkage than I when wet. And my 4a hair will hang like kimmay's when wet, especially as a I retain more length.

But asides that fact, I think Kimmay's hair type should be a non issue. The big picture is, she's has Afro Textured hair that has never grew to longer lengths for most of her life, but she found the proper techniques to nurture and care for her hair, enabling it to grow to great lengths. Therefore defying popular beliefs that black woman cannot grow long hair. And what's more, she's sharing the information with other black women who want to know how to care for and grow their own hair.

I hope she can continue to reach wider audiences of black women and pass on information on how to care for afro textured hair.

 

[tHENATuRALhAiRpRoJEcT]

Girl I was just kidding, hence my chardonnay at 10:30am comment. Everyone seems to be doing just fine.

don't do chardonnay.... but please let me know if u move on to harder liquids .... cuuuud ja email a sista a drank or two?

 

[Charz]

Regardless if she is 2b, 3c, 4a or 7g her retention is phenomenal.

 

[tHENATuRALhAiRpRoJEcT]

...so no straightening video yet?

naaaah, the new show starts in a few days

let me know if u need me to dvr it for ya'

 

[tHENATuRALhAiRpRoJEcT]

i think some are looking at texture instead of curl size/pattern

a point nonie had to drill thru my head

 

[OsnapCnapp!]

that's why i have given up on typing my hair!! too confusing!

I know right, I feel like you! Well since there are alot of people in here that know about hair typing help me out.....

My hair wet......







My hair dry.....




Sorry no shower pics, lol. But this is why I label myself 4B/C. Wet there are few curls, dry no curls exist.

 

[nikolite]

^^^ You look 4B to me. I don't see the 4C but I don't really know what that is anyway.

 

[virtuenow]

I know right, I feel like you! Well since there are alot of people in here that know about hair typing help me out.....

My hair wet.......

What a cute name. What happened to the CNapp pages or support thraeds anyway?? I consider myself a Cnapp; or 4b/c!

 

[HennaRo]

^^^ You look 4B to me. I don't see the 4C but I don't really know what that is anyway.

I was gonna say the same thing. I see 4B. And what is 4C? I have yet to see someone explain it and it makes sense.

 

[virtuenow]

This is a snippet from Andre's hair chart. Notice that 3c is not on the chart. That is b/c women on hair boards made it up. Likewise, women on hairboards made up the 4c. Its just another step to indicate that the hair is more tightly coiled or waved; and more coarse. I guess 4c curl pattern is microscopic. At least mine is!

Type 1a - Straight (Fine/Thin) - Hair tends to be very Soft, Shiny, difficult to hold a curl, hair also tends to be oily, and difficult to damage.

Type 1b - Straight (Medium) - Hair has lots of volume & body.

Type 1c - Straight (Coarse) - Hair is normally bone straight and difficult to Curl. Asian women usually fall into this category.

Type 2a - Wavy (Fine/Thin) - Hair has a definite "S" pattern. Normally can accomplish various styles.

Type 2b - Wavy (Medium) - Hair tends to be frizzy, and a little resistant to styling.

Type 2c - Wavy (Coarse) - Hair is also resistant to styling and normally very frizzy;tends to have thicker waves.

Type 3a - Curly (Loose Curls) - Hair tends to have a combination texture. It can be thick & full with lots of body, with a definite "S" pattern. It aslo tends to be frizzy.

Type 3b - Curly (Tight Curls) - Also tends to have a combination texture, with a medium amount of curl.

Type 4a - Kinky (Soft) - Hair tends to be very Fragile, tightly coiled, and has a more defined curly pattern.

Type 4b - Kinky (Wiry) - Also very fragile and tightly coiled; however with a less defined curly pattern -has more of a "Z" pattern shape.
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[OsnapCnapp!]

I was gonna say the same thing. I see 4B. And what is 4C? I have yet to see someone explain it and it makes sense.

I don't know why these pics came in so small....they are really big, lol. But I was told cnapp is natural hair thats like a cloud with not an inch of curls.


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[anon123]

Exactly. Im 4b and my hair WILL hang similarly to hers with a stream of water like that. It is only after like ten minutes after that my hair will become increasingly shrunken.

I mean, how many 4 type naturals with waist length hair do we get to see all the time on Youtube? So obviously it is new to some people. Hair elongates as it gets longer.

Hmm, maybe it's a density thing? I know my hair will not stretch out like that under water. I don't know, maybe if it was a fire hose . . . It doesn't elongate as it gets longer, either. *sigh* Anyway, whatever letters and numbers ascribed to her, I can see her hair is different from mine in some crucial way. Doesn't take away from its fabulousness.

 

[Meritamen]

She's a type 4. Go back and look at her earlier videos. She does an up close texture shot, when completely dry, her hair shrinks into a small fro with no apparent curl pattern. My sister who has 4b natural hair, has a lot more shrinkage than I when wet. And my 4a hair will hang like kimmay's when wet, especially as a I retain more length.

But asides that fact, I think Kimmay's hair type should be a non issue. The big picture is, she's has Afro Textured hair that has never grew to longer lengths for most of her life, but she found the proper techniques to nurture and care for her hair, enabling it to grow to great lengths. Therefore defying popular beliefs that black woman cannot grow long hair. And what's more, she's sharing the information with other black women who want to know how to care for and grow their own hair.

I hope she can continue to reach wider audiences of black women and pass on information on how to care for afro textured hair.

I agree with the words in bold. She has afro textured hair that's all I care about.
<rant>I wish people would stop with the hair typing mess because everyone has their own opinion on what a 4-something is. Her hair acts like that because that how her hair acts! There have been plenty of threads on here where people have posted their big chop and clearly went from an tight afro to having long hair which appears to have loosened and now hangs.
If I were to talk about hair typing to anyone else besides the people on LHCF they wouldn't know what I was talking about anyway. But if I said my hair is kinky they have pretty good idea what I'm talking about.</rant>

Anyway, I still await her flat iron video. I wonder what she plans to do with it since she has reached her goal.

 

[SND411]

I agree with the words in bold. She has afro textured hair that's all I care about.
<rant>I wish people would stop with the hair typing mess because everyone has their own opinion on what a 4-something is. Her hair acts like that because that how her hair acts! There have been plenty of threads on here where people have posted their big chop and clearly went from an tight afro to having long hair which appears to have loosened and now hangs.
If I were to talk about hair typing to anyone else besides the people on LHCF they wouldn't know what I was talking about anyway. But if I said my hair is kinky they have pretty good idea what I'm talking about.</rant>

Anyway, I still await her flat iron video. I wonder what she plans to do with it since she has reached her goal.

My whole thing has to do with encouraging women with tightly coiled afro-textured hair to go/stay natural by watching women btain long hair with hair like them. I always read complaint after complaint after complaint about how there are not too many 4-something naturals on youtube nor 4-something naturals representing the "face" of natural hair in the Natural Hair Community. There continues to be a stigma with 4a/4b hair,with many people (including that "F this Natural Hair ****" video that went viral) trying to act as if this hair type is soo difficult to manage and that this type of hair that will not grow.

I just find it unfair when 4-something naturals obtain their hair goals of longer hair, people want to act brand new and lower their "hair type."

In the end, it's really petty. Nonetheless, I think we are all proud to have a black woman like Kimmaytube offer her time and energy to educate the masses about afro-textured hair.

 

[FebeeSigns]

Agreeing with this. Kimmay is primarily 4a. I think, can't be sure i see a little 3 c in the mix there.

Edit: Not looking forward to her flat ironvideo, kind of dreading it. I don't want her to mess up her hair and take the risk. Besides, I really enjoy the versatility of natural hair.

 

[princessnad]

This is a snippet from Andre's hair chart. Notice that 3c is not on the chart. That is b/c women on hair boards made it up. Likewise, women on hairboards made up the 4c. Its just another step to indicate that the hair is more tightly coiled or waved; and more coarse. I guess 4c curl pattern is microscopic. At least mine is!

Type 1a - Straight (Fine/Thin) - Hair tends to be very Soft, Shiny, difficult to hold a curl, hair also tends to be oily, and difficult to damage.

Type 1b - Straight (Medium) - Hair has lots of volume & body.

Type 1c - Straight (Coarse) - Hair is normally bone straight and difficult to Curl. Asian women usually fall into this category.

Type 2a - Wavy (Fine/Thin) - Hair has a definite "S" pattern. Normally can accomplish various styles.

Type 2b - Wavy (Medium) - Hair tends to be frizzy, and a little resistant to styling.

Type 2c - Wavy (Coarse) - Hair is also resistant to styling and normally very frizzy;tends to have thicker waves.

Type 3a - Curly (Loose Curls) - Hair tends to have a combination texture. It can be thick & full with lots of body, with a definite "S" pattern. It aslo tends to be frizzy.

Type 3b - Curly (Tight Curls) - Also tends to have a combination texture, with a medium amount of curl.

Type 4a - Kinky (Soft) - Hair tends to be very Fragile, tightly coiled, and has a more defined curly pattern.

Type 4b - Kinky (Wiry) - Also very fragile and tightly coiled; however with a less defined curly pattern -has more of a "Z" pattern shape.
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His definition of the 4s always bothered me. From 1-3 the definition comes from the size of the curls then all of a sudden in the 4s it's wiry or "soft". So 4b hair can't be soft?

/rant

btw, I'm not 4b

 

[EllePixie]

don't do chardonnay.... but please let me know if u move on to harder liquids .... cuuuud ja email a sista a drank or two?

I was thinking of picking up a bottle of vodka before I go to this basketball game...

 

[Meritamen]

My whole thing has to do with encouraging women with tightly coiled afro-textured hair to go/stay natural by watching women btain long hair with hair like them. I always read complaint after complaint after complaint about how there are not too many 4-something naturals on youtube nor 4-something naturals representing the "face" of natural hair in the Natural Hair Community. There continues to be a stigma with 4a/4b hair,with many people (including that "F this Natural Hair ****" video that went viral) trying to act as if this hair type is soo difficult to manage and that this type of hair that will not grow.

I just find it unfair when 4-something naturals obtain their hair goals of longer hair, people want to act brand new and lower their "hair type."

In the end, it's really petty. Nonetheless, I think we are all proud to have a black woman like Kimmaytube offer her time and energy to educate the masses about afro-textured hair.

I 100% agree. It just bothers me that people want to jump on the hair typing thing now that her hair has gotten long. She says she's a type 4, so she's a type 4. Afro textured hair can hang or at least fall creating a natural part for some... so why people want to downgrade her hair I don't understand. Not everyone's hair acts the same.
I hate that when it comes to 4a/b hair typing has to be such a fight all the time. erplexed

 

[Qualitee]

3c hair is made up? Thats news to me.

 

[EllePixie]

Hmm, maybe it's a density thing? I know my hair will not stretch out like that under water. I don't know, maybe if it was a fire hose . . . It doesn't elongate as it gets longer, either. *sigh* Anyway, whatever letters and numbers ascribed to her, I can see her hair is different from mine in some crucial way. Doesn't take away from its fabulousness.

I think it's hair texture (as in thready, wiry, cottony, spongy and silky) and porosity. My hair is spongy, which means it takes a while for the water to absorb, but when it finally does, my hair is soaked. My hair in the back is elongated when it's wet, then the coils tighten as it dries.

 

[nikolite]

3c hair is made up? Thats news to me.

Me too. Now I have no clue what the heck my hair type is. I do know that I have BLACK hair, nappy enough to tell what race I am and that's all that matters I guess.

The Andre Walker system never worked for me because I have looser curls that are also very frizzy and texture is different on different parts of my head.

I agree with another poster that he just dropped the ball when it came to describing 4-type hair. He seemed to have way more experience with the type 1 to 2 hair and then just kinda made something up real quick for types 3 and 4.

 

[Thiends]

3c hair is made up? Thats news to me.

All of the type 4 subtypes are made up too. Andre's original chart (which is not what is posted in this thread) just lumped all Kinky hair into "type 4" and did not subdivide into 4a or 4b or 4c.

Edit: I believe that, over time, he refined his chart to include subtypes for type 4. I saw his original chart about 5 (maybe even more) years ago. Hair typing is clearly not an exact science, even for the originator of hair types.

 

[Qualitee]

He invented it but it doesn't mean it can't be tweaked. I still believe there are 3c 4a 4b hair. I think a lot of confusion with hair type it that many people are typing their hair to a hair type that its not.

 

[Thiends]

I admit that I am surprised that people are so amazed by her length. Her length is nice, but not anything that virtually anyone couldn't achieve. Assuming little to no breakage, hair grows 6" (sometimes even more) per year. I realize in reading this thread, however, that it has been so long since I struggled to retain length, that, until now, I had forgotten just how hard a time with length retention many people, especially black women, have. Really, find a regimen that prevents breakage and you will be surprised by how easily and quickly your hair will grow very long.

 

[Qualitee]

Type 1 hair = bone straight
Type 2 hair = wavy
Type 3 hair = defined curls WITHOUT product
Type 4 hair = defined curls WITH product
Type 5 hair = tightly coiled BUT no defined curls EVEN with product (they stay separate and 'fro-like)


What Hair Type and Texture do You Have? Straight, Wavy, Curly, Kinky or Nappy?

 

[LovelyNaps26]

Kim is a 4a, IMO. In the picture below (dated August 2009,) her hair was probably about 9 inches shorter (assuming 1/2 inches per month which she claims to retain). Think about how different your hair looked 9 inches shorter? In comparison to my siggy pic my blown our fro was round fro a la Angela Davis. Now, my blown out hair hangs down. Length makes a BIG difference in how hair appears. I think this applies to our wet hair because it is weighed down w/ the length of the hair.

 

[tHENATuRALhAiRpRoJEcT]

The MIZANI Natural Curl Key™

The MIZANI Natural Curl Key™ is an easy-to-use reference guide that allows professional stylists to identify the hair type of any client and determine its key characteristics and special needs, as well as the most beneficial care and service suggestions.

Type I - Straight to minimal wave
Type II - Open Wave. Loose S-shaped curves
Type III – Windy. Distinct S-shaped curves with uniform wave pattern
Type IV - Curly. Defined, mixed curl patterns: loops to spirals; ringlets to corkscrews
Type V - Very Curly. Defined curl with S-shapes forming into coils
Type VI - Coiled. Loose afro-medium coils close to the scalp
Type VII – Very Coiled – Tight afro-distinct, springy coils closer to scalp
Type VIII – Zig-zag coiled – Extremely tight afro-interlocking coils and zig-zag patterns


Andre Walker’s Curl Typing System

In 1997 Andre Walker took the standard hairdresser texture classes and expanded it into curl typing. Andre took the definition of curl types to a whole new level with his book Andre Talks Hair. The famous hairstylist for Oprah classified hair into man categories of Straight (Type 1), Wavy (Type 2), Curly (Type 3) and Kinky (Type 4). Andre Talks Hair

Within the Wavy, Curly and Kinky categories he took it a step further by creating and defining subcategories (A, B, C) within some of the major 1-4 Categories. While Andre was the creator of the natural texture typing, the Internet took it to even new levels. Many naturally textured people on the Web took Andre’s subcategories of natural curls and kinks and added their own details.

Andre provides the following classifications which have become even more famous than him:
1. Straight hair
2. Wavy hair
-----A - Fine & Thin
-----B - Medium
-----C - Thick & Coarse
3. Curly hair
-----A - Loose loopy curls
-----B - More defined curls to very well defined curls (ringlets)
4. Kinky hair (Oprah's hair)
-----A - Tightly curly - S shape like Type 3
-----B - Wiry - Z pattern

L.O.I.S. African American Natural Texture Typing System

This system which is very comprehensive and somewhat complex is based around the letters L. O. I. S. which stands for L = Bend, O = Curl, I = Straight and S = Wave. In addition to Bend, Curl, Straight and Wave is the strand thickness including the categories of thin, medium and thick.

Combining these two main categories are additional detailed definitions of natural textured hair including:

Thready – low sheen, high shine, low frizz
Wiry – sparkly sheen, low shine, low frizz
Cottony – low sheen, low shine, high frizz
Spongy – high sheen, low shine, high frizz
Silky – low sheen, high shine, low frizz
Shine – hair that reflects light along its surface.
Sheen – hair that sparkles as if filled with light


Fia’s Hair Typing System – Straight To Curly

Fia was a contributor to one of the early long hair related forum messageboards and took the time to write up her own theory of how hair should be typed. Her system was based around Classifiers and included the following:

1. First Classifier - Hair Texture – Curliness (or lack thereof) This include Straight, Wavy, Curly, Really Curly
2. Second Classifier – Hair Type – Fine, Medium, Coarse
3. Third Classifier – Overall Volume Of Hair based on circumference of hair. Classified as thin, normal and thick)

 

[Qualitee]

^^^....