Hip–Tailbone Length (HL–TBL) 2014 Challenge!

[melahnee]

:hugs: sorry lady. I wish I can help you detangle your hair oh so gently. Hang on in there.

thank you. Oh trust me I wish too lol. I wish one of you long haired ladies could touch my hair and gimme the lowdown on what you would do if you were in my position last week I had my mom detangle it after a wash because it was a nightmare and i was just not havin' it

 

[MileHighDiva]

it's one of those days for me again so yes, this is yet another vent my hair is getting on my effin nerves. I lost more than I have lately while detangling today I wish I could get a relaxer or texturizer but I never have so I'm scared. I'm daydreaming about relaxing at HL lol. I also might be wishful thinking because my hair hates everything and might just say **** you and fall out if i tried.. I wanna try it one one piece of my hair and see how it reacts..but if that piece gets f*cked then I will cry I go into the relaxer threads in here a lot and I love the look of relaxed hair just ugghhhh my crazy a$$ hair refuses to not tangle for even a DAY! my hair can't deal with bs for even a second. i'm pissed at it right now lol. I have my good days as well but i just lose too much freakin hair it makes me sick erplexed

melahnee, how frequently are you detangling? First, finger detangle it in sections with EVCO drenched/lubed fingers. Then follow-up with detangling the same sections with a wide toothed seamless comb.

 

[melahnee]

@melahnee, how frequently are you detangling? First, finger detangle it in sections with EVCO drenched/lubed fingers. Then follow-up with detangling the same sections with a wide toothed seamless comb.

Thank you! I detangle every other day. I've tried waiting longer but that didn't work out ha. does EVCO = extra virgin coconut oil? I have coconut oil I use every day but idk if it's extra virgin. these are all the products I use:

in order, it's olive oil leave-in conditioner, little orange one is silk elements herbal hair & scalp, behind it is organix coconut milk, salerm21 leave-in conditioner, olive oil ORS replenishing(deep) conditioner, garnier fructis triple nutrition, lil bottle is matrix total results super defrizzer(actually I haven't tried this one yet) and lastly, blue magic coconut oil.

something just came to mind, I might be having build up or too much protein cause I just put water in it and it was tangling less lol. usually if I untangle it, then turn my head a few times it's already tangled again lmao I'm not kidding.

 

[MileHighDiva]

Yes, melahnee, EVCO is extra virgin coconut oil. Dahling, what are you using that Blue Magic and apricot grease looking stuff for?

 

[melahnee]

Yes, @melahnee, EVCO is extra virgin coconut oil. Dahling, what are you using that Blue Magic and apricot grease looking stuff for?

is the blue magic stuff bad? I've only been using it for a few weeks. the lil orange bottle I usually use as a moisturizer but I have lately been questioning it for obvious reasons
where can I get EVCO? when i was at the store I asked for coconut oil and that was all they had so I was like why not erplexed
MileHighDiva

 

[MileHighDiva]

melahnee, it's not bad per se, it depends on what your using it for. No judgement from me, I personally use Blue Magic to base my head when I do a black cherry color rinse, so I don't have to walk around with black cherry hairline/scalp till the next wash. However, I believe your using it and the Silk Elements for a moisturizer. They don't have any water, so they will not moisturize your hair. The first ingredient is petroleum, and with the Silk Elements the second ingredient is mineral oil.

Petroleum, mineral oil, and lanolin sit on top of your hair and block out moisture. They don't penetrate the strand. I guess they would be okay to seal with depending on how frequently you wash.

You can buy EVCO from Amazon. Do you have Amazon Prime? Also, I saw some recently in Super Wally World, in the same aisle as the cooking oils i.e olive, grape seed, canola, Pam, Crisco. I believe the brand was Spectrum and it was $6.42 for a 14 oz jar.

BRB, I have to go rinse my DC out and LCO my hair. I've had DC in my hair for about four hours. One under the heat cap, and the other three I've just been piddle paddling around the house. I have to get it out while I still have energy to do curlformers or Ms. Celie's for a braid out.

I'll try to think of some water based moisturizers you can get on the ground, or maybe some of the other ladies can pipe in.

ETA: Do you have a Trader Joe's in your area? It's my understanding that EVCO is inexpensive there.

 

[melahnee]

@melahnee, it's not bad per se, it depends on what your using it for. No judgement from me, I personally use Blue Magic to base my head when I do a black cherry color rinse, so I don't have to walk around with black cherry hairline/scalp till the next wash. However, I believe your using it and the Silk Elements for a moisturizer. They don't have any water, so they will not moisturize your hair. The first ingredient is petroleum, and with the Silk Elements the second ingredient is mineral oil.

Petroleum, mineral oil, and lanolin sit on top of your hair and block out moisture. They don't penetrate the strand. I guess they would be okay to seal with depending on how frequently you wash.

You can buy EVCO from Amazon. Do you have Amazon Prime? Also, I saw some recently in Super Wally World, in the same aisle as the cooking oils i.e olive, grape seed, canola, Pam, Crisco. I believe the brand was Spectrum and it was $6.42 for a 14 oz jar.

BRB, I have to go rinse my DC out and LCO my hair. I've had DC in my hair for about four hours. One under the heat cap, and the other three I've just been piddle paddling around the house. I have to get it out while I still have energy to do curlformers or Ms. Celie's for a braid out.

I'll try to think of some water based moisturizers you can get on the ground, or maybe some of the other ladies can pipe in.

ETA: Do you have a Trader Joe's in your area? It's my understanding that EVCO is inexpensive there.

thank you. this makes a lot of sense ha, so basically what I got from your post is that the only time I've been really moisturizing is on wash days with my DC and leave-ins lol! the evco isn't a moisturizer though is it? I'm now ready to go pick up a really good moisturizer and redeem myself lol

 

[MileHighDiva]

^^Are any of your leave-in's water based? In the past, when you thought you were moisturizing between wash days, what were you using besides the Blue Magic and Silk Elements? Please don't bash your head!

ETA: EVCO, EVOO, and Avocado are great oils because the penetrate the hair strand, but they not moisturizers. I'll try to find you some links etc.

 

[Aireen]

Sorry for the late reply, rawsilk!

Hmm... I personally don't really use leave-ins but one don't I could think of at the top of my head is to avoid protein heavy conditioners as a leave-in. You wouldn't want your hair to be hard because you put a conditioner in your hair that has protein within the first 5 ingredients.

 

[MileHighDiva]

Aireen, here's my check-in for June 30/join the challenge information:

- Current length + hair type
BSL, Daughter SO, 3B/C, I think my "whack patch" is 4A
- Regimen
M&S using LCO version of the LOC method 2-3x weekly. Pre-poo, cleanse, DC w/heat, set w/o heat bi-weekly. Clarify/chelate, and hard protein bi-monthly. Color rinse and length check quarterly. Trim bi-annually and/or dust quarterly. Four (4) direct heat passes a year.
- Exact goal length
TBL
- Goal date
Hoping to be Full MBL/scrapping WL by the end of 2013; HL June 2014, and TBL December 31, 2014. I'm thinking "Dream big or go home" or should that be "Grow long or go home".
- Plans
Be consistent with regimen. Whip my hair, back and forth!
Go to the amusement park and ride the "Unicorn" on the carousel with my hair touching my tail bone/booty crack.
- Maintenance once goal is achieved
Maintain healthy ends and hair.

-Potential barriers
I'm currently 22 months into my transition, which is not a problem. However, I think I may have caused heat damage to my natural ends in February and April when I used two of my direct heat passes. I used a titanium flat iron I bought at TJ Maxx. I really need to invest in a 1 1/2" Sedu Revolution flat iron, before I straighten my hair again in August for my B-Day, or during the fall solstice (Sept), so I can trim. I'm not sure how back I'll have to cut/trim to get rid of the heat damage.

Currently, my relaxed ends are healthier than my natural ends, but it's my fault. I didn't know only professional are suppose to use titanium and DIYers should be using ceramic/ionic flat irons.

BRB, I have to post pix from my phone. They're not the best my photog has been at the amusement park all day and I'm not good at taking selfies.

 

[MileHighDiva]

I'll try to have my son/photog take some more pics when I remove my curlformers tomorrow a.m. That way it'll be better light any you'll be able to see the lines on the length check T-shirt.

MileHighDiva Tip: Don't buy dark colored length check Ts with dark lines. I don't care if purple is your favorite color and symbolizes "Royalty".

Front:



Back:









Sent from my Speak & Spell using LHCF

 

[pre_medicalrulz]

I'm wearing 2 ponytails @ work today. BOL!!!!

 

[melahnee]

MileHighDiva - my olive oil leave in lists water as its first ingredient, would that make it water-based? I'm applying it now :/

 

[Lucia]

MileHighDiva - my olive oil leave in lists water as its first ingredient, would that make it water-based? I'm applying it now :/

melahnee

I may not be so bad depends on the other ingredients but its def not evoo IMO I prefer to just use the real pure oil it's cheaper and I know what Im getting and it's better for my hair

 

[Lucia]

Here's some Inspiration



http://youtu.be/fRX81GsJg04

 

[MileHighDiva]

melahnee, I'm sorry, I went off on a tangent about the petroleum, mineral, and lanolin based products. Some people's hair thrives with that stuff. However, mine does not and I believe that they prevent most people with afro-textured hair from getting the moisture they need, along with non-water soluble silicones.

If you and your hair, enjoys those products, please carry-on. In any case, I think if you try eliminating those from your regimen for two weeks, and utilize the the LOC method (I personally LCO) of M&S your hair it will be pliable, soft, and well moisturized. This would prevent breakage and lead to greater retention. #TeamTBL2014

In two weeks, if you don't notice a difference please return to your normal reggie. Clarify your hair first.

Back on track, to your detangling issue. I love to finger detangle w/EVCO, because it's lubby/slippy. In addition, I use it to pre-poo overnight, before I wash to prevent hygral fatigue. Please purchase some EVCO and tell me what you think. I think some of the other ladies should pipe in, regarding your detangling when your not planning to wash.


http://voices.yahoo.com/how-moisturize-africanamerican-hair-5340693.html?cat=69

http://voices.yahoo.com/the-fine-art-protein-moisture-balancing-for-393904.html?cat=69

http://shine.yahoo.com/benefits-coconut-oil-black-hair-care.html

LOC Method Links:

Ms. Chicoro created the LOC method and she is my fine hair idol.

http://www.justgrowalready.com/search?q=loc#.Uc3tcfnlY_Y

http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=661083

 

[MileHighDiva]

Here's some Inspiration

:drool3:

http://youtu.be/fRX81GsJg04

Lucia, Thanks! I needed that dose of inspiration! I was all "in my feelings" last night about how much I'll potentially have to cut back due to frying my ends.

What do you think of her "fairy tail ends"?

 

[Trini_Chutney]

Your hair looks really good and I think your ends look like they're in good shape. Don't fall into the scissor happy, perfect ends trap! Don't do it!

Thank you. I'll try not to go overboard!

 

[pre_medicalrulz]

Here's some Inspiration

:drool3:

http://youtu.be/fRX81GsJg04

Its so weird how her hair looks so wiggy.

 

[MileHighDiva]

Its so weird how her hair looks so wiggy.

pre_medicalrulz, do you thinks that's due to her "fairy tale" ends? Do you think it would look less wiggy with blunt ends? She has another video where she's doing a length check she attempts to show her scalp, but you can't see it. I wonder if that's due to her webcam, or...

 

[pre_medicalrulz]

pre_medicalrulz, do you thinks that's due to her "fairy tale" ends? Do you think it would look less wiggy with blunt ends? She has another video where she's doing a length check she attempts to show her scalp, but you can't see it. I wonder if that's due to her webcam, or...

Not sure. Maybe the bang makes it look wiggy or the jet black color. Not sure.

 

[ckisland]

Its so weird how her hair looks so wiggy.

As someone who suffers from wiggy hair, leave us alone !! J/K. My sister has told me this a couple of times, and sometimes I see it too. At first I thought it would stop once I went natural, but people still come up to me (less often though) and ask about my wig, weave, or hair piece . I guess my roots are thick, so my hair looks like it's sitting on top of my head.

I didn't even think her hair looked wiggy, but I would guess that it's because of her bangs. I think bangs look wiggy on a lot of people. Or maybe it's the root to end thickness and how black it is.

ETA: ^ I just saw your post. I think the wigginess is a combo of all of the above.

 

[pre_medicalrulz]

As someone who suffers from wiggy hair, leave us alone !! J/K. My sister has told me this a couple of times, and sometimes I see it too. At first I thought it would stop once I went natural, but people still come up to me (less often though) and ask about my wig, weave, or hair piece . I guess my roots are thick, so my hair looks like it's sitting on top of my head.

I didn't even think her hair looked wiggy, but I would guess that it's because of her bangs. I think bangs look wiggy on a lot of people. Or maybe it's the root to end thickness and how black it is.

Yea I'm thinking its the thick bangs & the jet black color on her light skin that's probably giving off the wiggy look.

And maybe she airdried that's giving her the thick roots. That's what happens to my hair but dammit I still see my scalp Lol

 

[ckisland]

Welp, I finally miss my curls. Not terribly, but the do's getting washed Monday or Tuesday. I finished watching flatironing tutorials from 2 gorgeous haired, heat-trained naturals, and I'm like, "Dangit! Their hairs' beautiful, but I love me some long, curly hair ." Long straight hair's awesome to look at, but it can't hold my attention the way a head full of random curls and coils can. To be honest, I feel the same way about 4b/4c and kinky-straight hair too . My brain registers a mass of smooth strands hanging straight down and a mass of cottony fro going out the same way with the same level (or lack there of) of interest. I'm a touch ADD in every aspect of my life, what can I say ?

So instead of buying a flatiron, blowdryer, and smoothing/straightening products, I'm going to be hitting up Target for some curly products and a diffuser. If I could just achieve APL curly hair, I swear to all the Hair Gods, I'd be happy without a complaint in the world.

 

[melahnee]

@melahnee, I'm sorry, I went off on a tangent about the petroleum, mineral, and lanolin based products. Some people's hair thrives with that stuff. However, mine does not and I believe that they prevent most people with afro-textured hair from getting the moisture they need, along with non-water soluble silicones.

If you and your hair, enjoys those products, please carry-on. In any case, I think if you try eliminating those from your regimen for two weeks, and utilize the the LOC method (I personally LCO) of M&S your hair it will be pliable, soft, and well moisturized. This would prevent breakage and lead to greater retention. #TeamTBL2014

In two weeks, if you don't notice a difference please return to your normal reggie. Clarify your hair first.

Back on track, to your detangling issue. I love to finger detangle w/EVCO, because it's lubby/slippy. In addition, I use it to pre-poo overnight, before I wash to prevent hygral fatigue. Please purchase some EVCO and tell me what you think. I think some of the other ladies should pipe in, regarding your detangling when your not planning to wash.


http://voices.yahoo.com/how-moisturize-africanamerican-hair-5340693.html?cat=69

http://voices.yahoo.com/the-fine-art-protein-moisture-balancing-for-393904.html?cat=69

http://shine.yahoo.com/benefits-coconut-oil-black-hair-care.html

LOC Method Links:

Ms. Chicoro created the LOC method and she is my fine hair idol.

http://www.justgrowalready.com/search?q=loc#.Uc3tcfnlY_Y

http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=661083

thank you for everything MileHighDiva. I'm definitely taking your advice. I started *attempting to moisturize with my olive oil leave-in, but what's a really good moisturizer you recommend I start with after this mess?

 

[MileHighDiva]

melahnee, you're more than welcome! I Liquid, Cream, Oil (LCO) to moisturize and seal (M&S)with the following combinations, depending on how I'm going to set/wear my hair:

Silk Dreams (SD) Wheat Germ Condish, SD Creme de la Silk, SD Nourish Oil
Oyin Hair Dew, Oyin Whipped Pudding, grape seed oil (GSO)
SD Mocha Silk Hair Milk, SD Mocha Butter Bling*
S-Curl, Oyin Whipped Pudding, GSO or Oyin Burnt Sugar Pomade

* for when I'm trying to be cute and I want my hair to have a lot of "swang" aka movement. This is usually when I've used one of my four direct heat passes for the year.

I hope the other ladies chime in, because I'm drawing a blank on what you can buy on the ground besides, S-Curl and GSO. I don't want you to feel like you have to order a bunch of boutique hair goodies to take care of your hair. There should be a ton of stuff you can buy at the drug store and BSS, but I'm drawing a blank right now.

P.S. my hair loves silk protein and ceramides. Over the course, of your journey, you'll figure out what type of products your hair responds well to.

 

[melahnee]

@melahnee, you're more than welcome! I Liquid, Cream, Oil (LCO) to moisturize and seal (M&S)with the following combinations, depending on how I'm going to set/wear my hair:

Silk Dreams (SD) Wheat Germ Condish, SD Creme de la Silk, SD Nourish Oil
Oyin Hair Dew, Oyin Whipped Pudding, grape seed oil (GSO)
SD Mocha Silk Hair Milk, SD Mocha Butter Bling*
S-Curl, Oyin Whipped Pudding, GSO or Oyin Burnt Sugar Pomade

* for when I'm trying to be cute and I want my hair to have a lot of "swang" aka movement. This is usually when I've used one of my four direct heat passes for the year.

I hope the other ladies chime in, because I'm drawing a blank on what you can buy on the ground besides, S-Curl and GSO. I don't want you to feel like you have to order a bunch of boutique hair goodies to take care of your hair. There should be a ton of stuff you can buy at the drug store and BSS, but I'm drawing a blank right now.

P.S. my hair loves silk protein and ceramides. Over the course, of your journey, you'll figure out what type of products your hair responds well to.

thank you so much, I really can't thank you enough, lol. I'm going to go to the store in a bit to get S-Curl. I'm really hoping this will solve this tangle/loss problem I've got goin on.

 

[AlliCat]

@melahnee, you're more than welcome! I Liquid, Cream, Oil (LCO) to moisturize and seal (M&S)with the following combinations, depending on how I'm going to set/wear my hair:

Silk Dreams (SD) Wheat Germ Condish, SD Creme de la Silk, SD Nourish Oil
Oyin Hair Dew, Oyin Whipped Pudding, grape seed oil (GSO)
SD Mocha Silk Hair Milk, SD Mocha Butter Bling*
S-Curl, Oyin Whipped Pudding, GSO or Oyin Burnt Sugar Pomade

* for when I'm trying to be cute and I want my hair to have a lot of "swang" aka movement. This is usually when I've used one of my four direct heat passes for the year.

I hope the other ladies chime in, because I'm drawing a blank on what you can buy on the ground besides, S-Curl and GSO. I don't want you to feel like you have to order a bunch of boutique hair goodies to take care of your hair. There should be a ton of stuff you can buy at the drug store and BSS, but I'm drawing a blank right now.

P.S. my hair loves silk protein and ceramides. Over the course, of your journey, you'll figure out what type of products your hair responds well to.

thank you for everything @MileHighDiva. I'm definitely taking your advice. I started *attempting to moisturize with my olive oil leave-in, but what's a really good moisturizer you recommend I start with after this mess?

Neutrogena Triple Moisture Silk Touch is my favorite, and grapeseed or coconut oil to seal

 

[melahnee]

Neutrogena Triple Moisture Silk Touch is my favorite, and grapeseed or coconut oil to seal

thank you, I will add that to the list

 

[pre_medicalrulz]

thank you, I will add that to the list

LOL! Girl they done gone & made you a product junkie!!!