Keratin Treatment Support Thread

[Titansgirl]

That sounds really good if you're not protein sensitive. Like extra strengthening. IDK if my hair could handle the xtra protein, but for those who could, it seems like it would be wonderful.

I followed up w/ extra moisturing for the next few days after my treatment. My hair didn't feel hard or brittle in any way. I just wanted to be on the safe side w/ the protein...

I understand that protein is not for everyone, but it really didn't feel like a heavy protein treatment. It's like an added boost to the treatment.

 

[yodie]

The mask is used as a protein treatment after an hour after you finish the flat ironing part after the treatment.

1st you clarify
2nd blowdry & then apply the treatment
3rd blowdry & flatiron
4th apply the mask treatment 1 hour after step 3
Leave the mask in for about 5 min. then rinse w/ cold water; then style your hair however you want to....

Question about process of 3rd and 4th steps. After you blowdry and flat iron (#3), are you supposed to wet the hair and then apply the mask (#4) or just apply the mask onto the flat ironed hair with the product in it?

That sounds really good if you're not protein sensitive. Like extra strengthening. IDK if my hair could handle the xtra protein, but for those who could, it seems like it would be wonderful.

I don't think my hair would like the extra protein either. I wonder if the mask is a protein treatment like aphogee or more BKT suitable - if that makes sense.

 

[*fabulosity*]

Question about process of 3rd and 4th steps. After you blowdry and flat iron (#3), are you supposed to wet the hair and then apply the mask (#4) or just apply the mask onto the flat ironed hair with the product in it?
.

Nope, on the videos I watched.. they rewet the hair and then applied the mask... rerinsed...and reblowdried... and I would think reflatironed...

Now do you only need to use it the first time???

 

[Titansgirl]

I wonder if the mask is a protein treatment like aphogee or more BKT suitable - if that makes sense.

Yodie,

It is not like an aphogee treatment. Your hair doesn't get hard after you apply the treatment, and the treatment is not sticky or anything. Here is a picture of the mask in my hair before my final rinse.

 

[Lucia]

Any reviews on the Liquid Keratin Treatment? I've seen good and bad reviews on other blogs for it, but I want to hear from an LHCF member how it really works. TIA

http://www.liquidkeratin.com/

Ok I'm deciding between Goleshee and Liquid Keratin they're less expensive, and Soft-Liss and QOD. I like that Soft-Liss and Liquid Keratin come in kits.

 

[yodie]

Auburn uses/used liquid keratin. You should PM her. She can give you feedback. Let us know if you decide to try it. I was initially interested in using it, but the reviews weren't so good.

Any reviews on the Liquid Keratin Treatment? I've seen good and bad reviews on other blogs for it, but I want to hear from an LHCF member how it really works. TIA

http://www.liquidkeratin.com/

 

[Mystic]

I would like to thank Cutenss and Sheba1 for their help in giving me detailed information about their BKT process. I kept sending questions after questions and you both were extremely helpful. I used the same products Cutenss used.

I am 4a natural and did the BKT process lastnight - wow, it took me 3 hrs!! The process was tiring, lol. Really really a lot of work, and in the end, I was really disappointed with the result.

Since there are so many great reviews about BKT then I will conclude that my disappointment could be a direct result of my process, I must have done something wrong. I am assuming it's the henna treatment I did prior to the BKT. I henna for an hr, rinsed thoroughly then applied the clarifying shampoo 3X. My hair was surprisingly soft - I thought it would have been extremely dry but it wasn't. I followed the direction exactly and when I applied the BKT, my hair was really really soft - I was so excited. I waited the 30 minutes after application to blow dry the BKT to 100%, but after wards, I could not believe how dry, hard, stiff and horrible my hair felt with the BKT in it. As a result, it was extremely hard for me to section my hair in small parts to flat iron - I thing I lost a lot of hair struggling to section small to flat iron. I got so tired and frustrated because the flat ironing process was taking SO long due to the fact that my hair - particularly the ends - was thick, dry and sticking together - it was terrible. My hair also sucked up the BTK - I finished one 4oz bottle and my hair looked like it barely had any product in it. It's like the BKT was lost w/in my strands and my hair felt so dry - I even had to use a little bit more of the second bottle in the front. My hair is 4a - it aint no joke. I kept wondering how Cutenss was able to use 2 oz and her hair is much longer than mine. Only difference is her hair texture is much softer than mine.

My hair is naturally shiny but after the application, it has limited shine and white deposits in the hair strands. I don't know how I can go 4 days w/out washing it out.

The next negative thing was, I had a window fan and a ceiling fan running at the same time for ventilation but in this hot summer weather, plus all that blow drying/flat ironing, I was sweating like crazy. The minute I stopped flat ironing the back and moved to the front, in no time the back became frizzy, big and all the straightness and curls went through the roof - the exact thing that happens when I get a blow out in this humidity. Also, the smell from the BKT was so STRONG! It caused me to have a runny nose, and I felt like I was stifling. I should have worn a nose piece but I didn't - that my totally my fault.

I have A LOT of trimming to do on my ends - it's the driest part so far. On a positive note, my hair has a nice feel to it - soft.

Even though I am disappointed so far, the good thing is that I do not like straight hair. My only hope now is when I wash in 4 days, I really really hope BKT will help with manageability. Please, please work with my wash and gos. It didn't work for me in maintaining straight hair (which is fine cause that never interested me) but I really hope it does with wash and go or even roller sets.

Natural hair with BKT in it, look how dry the top is:
http://public.fotki.com/Mystic/natural-journey/second-year--08/month-28/img8725fotki.html

http://public.fotki.com/Mystic/natural-journey/second-year--08/month-28/img8735fotki.html

http://public.fotki.com/Mystic/natural-journey/second-year--08/month-28/img8744fotki.html

 

[Lucia]

I would like to thank Cutenss and Sheba1 for their help in giving me detailed information about their BKT process. I kept sending questions after questions and you both were extremely helpful. I used the same products Cutenss used.

I am 4a natural and did the BKT process lastnight - wow, it took me 3 hrs!! The process was tiring, lol. Really really a lot of work, and in the end, I was really disappointed with the result.

Since there are so many great reviews about BKT then I will conclude that my disappointment could be a direct result of my process, I must have done something wrong. I am assuming it's the henna treatment I did prior to the BKT. I henna for an hr, rinsed thoroughly then applied the clarifying shampoo 3X. My hair was surprisingly soft - I thought it would have been extremely dry but it wasn't. I followed the direction exactly and when I applied the BKT, my hair was really really soft - I was so excited. I waited the 30 minutes after application to blow dry the BKT to 100%, but after wards, I could not believe how dry, hard, stiff and horrible my hair felt with the BKT in it. As a result, it was extremely hard for me to section my hair in small parts to flat iron - I thing I lost a lot of hair struggling to section small to flat iron. I got so tired and frustrated because the flat ironing process was taking SO long due to the fact that my hair - particularly the ends - was thick, dry and sticking together - it was terrible. My hair also sucked up the BTK - I finished one 4oz bottle and my hair looked like it barely had any product in it. It's like the BKT was lost w/in my strands and my hair felt so dry - I even had to use a little bit more of the second bottle in the front. My hair is 4a - it aint no joke. I kept wondering how Cutenss was able to use 2 oz and her hair is much longer than mine. Only difference is her hair texture is much softer than mine.

My hair is naturally shiny but after the application, it has limited shine and white deposits in the hair strands. I don't know how I can go 4 days w/out washing it out.

The next negative thing was, I had a window fan and a ceiling fan running at the same time for ventilation but in this hot summer weather, plus all that blow drying/flat ironing, I was sweating like crazy. The minute I stopped flat ironing the back and moved to the front, in no time the back became frizzy, big and all the straightness and curls went through the roof - the exact thing that happens when I get a blow out in this humidity. Also, the smell from the BKT was so STRONG! It caused me to have a runny nose, and I felt like I was stifling. I should have worn a nose piece but I didn't - that my totally my fault.

I have A LOT of trimming to do on my ends - it's the driest part so far. On a positive note, my hair has a nice feel to it - soft.

Even though I am disappointed so far, the good thing is that I do not like straight hair. My only hope is now is when I wash in 4 days, I really really hope BKT will help with manageability. Please, please work with my wash and gos. It didn't work for me in maintaining straight hair (which is fine cause that never interested me) but I really hope it does with wash and go or even roller sets.

Natural hair with BKT in it, look how dry the top is:
http://public.fotki.com/Mystic/natural-journey/second-year--08/month-28/img8725fotki.html

http://public.fotki.com/Mystic/natural-journey/second-year--08/month-28/img8735fotki.html

http://public.fotki.com/Mystic/natural-journey/second-year--08/month-28/img8744fotki.html

Sorry you didn't get good results, but being a Ayurveda user, I can say that the Keratin and the Henna cannot be used on the same day any other treatments hair colour (which Henna tech falls into that class) Henna which colours, strengthens and seals the hair shaft, relaxers, etc... should be done at least 2 weeks before or after the Keratin. Doing them 2 weeks before is best from what the Brazilian Keratin websites say. So doing Henna right before may be what really messed you up, Henna filled up the hair shaft and sealed it, so the Keratin couldn't get in. The BKT guru's can explain better. hth

 

[Mystic]

I think that's probably what happened. Even though I read somewhere that someone did a henna treatment on the same day and still got beautiful BKT result. Oh well, I knew the problem must have been on my end.

Sorry you didn't get good results, but being a Ayurveda user, I can say that the Keratin and the Henna cannot be used on the same day any other treatments hair colour (which Henna tech falls into that class) Henna which colours, strengthens and seals the hair shaft, relaxers, etc... should be done at least 2 weeks before or after the Keratin. Doing them 2 weeks before is best from what the Brazilian Keratin websites say. So doing Henna right before may be what really messed you up, Henna filled up the hair shaft and sealed it, so the Keratin couldn't get in. The BKT guru's can explain better. hth

 

[sheba1]

Awww man, Mystic I'm so sorry you had this experience! Truth be told, I posted pics of my first bkt and I wasn't crazy about my results either... until after the first wash . I washed after 24 hours and really enjoyed the ease of detangling. A week later I did a second BKT and I was in love! I washed that one after 2 days.

Now about this henna... I dunno. I know it might seem like henna and color are the same thing but it's really not. Even though henna can be used to color the hair it does not do the same thing as traditional color.

As Lucia said it seals the hair. So that would be completely different than why one might color or relax immediately followed by bkt. If one were to do a color (traditional semi perm, permanent, etc) or a relaxer right before the treatment; either of these processes would raise the cuticle allowing the bkt to get inside and be fused with the hair with the heat. But since henna does exactly the opposite sealing the shaft, I imagine that it works against the BKT to do it on the same day.

I highly recommend you wash your hair early. Do some serious serious deep conditioning. In a week, give it another whirl with the product you have left. It should be able to get in there and really do it's job.

That being said, your first experience sounds a lot like mine, results wise. Some things I learned to do differently by my second time:

1. Start early in the day. The earlier the better. My first experience was just like yours where the sweating was involved. I was hot and miserable by the end. The second time I started at 6am and finished well before 10. I immediately turned on the A/C and then a half hour later closed the windows. I left the fans running and pointing out the windows to help to get any remaining fumes out during the half hour. I experienced not a bit of reversion.

2. Apply the treatment to towel dried hair; the hair should still be slightly damp during application. I say this because this will allow you to use less product and get the thin coating that is needed. Comb through each section with a fine tooth comb to remove any excess product as you apply. Smooth the excess back into the bowl.

Tip! :idea: leave the small tooth comb resting in the bowl as you section your hair into small pieces. Pick the comb up coated with product and comb it through the hair starting at the top. Then go back a couple times and comb through to remove excess and smooth it back into the bowl. For me, this eliminates the need for an application brush and I can apply much much faster.

Also, it's important to note that you need this thin coating of product as you do not want your hair sticking together as you mentioned when you went to do the flat iron.

3. I'm about to do BKT number 4 and I've decided to do some heavy duty DCing right before application. Meaning I'm going to wash with a clarifying poo (a single lather to remove cones) the evening before application and then coat my hair in DC overnight.

The morning of application I'm going to wash with my clarifying shampoo several times to open the cuticle and apply my BKT to towel dried hair, as normal. I'm not sure if this is something that will help my process, but I feel that since the application of BKT is so heavy duty on heat, it may better prepare my hair for the intense process to be as moisture rich as possible. I'll report back as to how this went for my hair.

4. And this is specific to your experience; icks-nay one the enna-hay... capiche? lol I mean, henna is awesome. I've used it myself. But unless you're abso-positively sure how something is going to affect a new process, you are better off leaving it out.

I have worry about the henna's affect on your hair before bkt. Many many many have complained of the drying effects of henna even after following their henna with copious amounts of DCing and what-have-you. Your henna was followed by clarifying poo and a new process that seals your hair. I think the BKT is the perfect balance of moisture/protein so I don't really think this will cause you a problem... I certainly hope not, anyway. I just don't think it's a good idea to seal the hair in this extremely dry state. But at least it appears to be sealed in with the bkt. So hopefully I that will be enough.

Man, I'm tired.. I'm going back to sleep. Good luck! Talk to you guys later.

 

[cutenss]

I am so sorry that you did not have a good experience. I agree with Lucia. I am in no way a henna guru. I believe that the henna impeded the BKT from doing what is meant to do. You should have not need the amount you used. On my second BKT last month, I DID NOT wait the 4 days. I washed after 2 days. If you feel that you need to wash, cowash/deep condition every day to every other day as your hair can tolerate. This will also help with you ends that you say are dry, so that you may not have to trim. This will also give you an indication if any of the BKT took. And you definately be able to tell. WE/LHCF will help you through this. Everything will be OK. PM me ANYTIME

 

[Lucia]

Awww man, Mystic I'm so sorry you had this experience! Truth be told, I posted pics of my first bkt and I wasn't crazy about my results either... until after the first wash . I washed after 24 hours and really enjoyed the ease of detangling. A week later I did a second BKT and I was in love! I washed that one after 2 days.

Now about this henna... I dunno. I know it might seem like henna and color are the same thing but it's really not. Even though henna can be used to color the hair it does not do the same thing as traditional color.

As Lucia said it seals the hair. So that would be completely different than why one might color or relax immediately followed by bkt. If one were to do a color (traditional semi perm, permanent, etc) or a relaxer right before the treatment; either of these processes would raise the cuticle allowing the bkt to get inside and be fused with the hair with the heat. But since henna does exactly the opposite sealing the shaft, I imagine that it works against the BKT to do it on the same day.

I highly recommend you wash your hair early. Do some serious serious deep conditioning. In a week, give it another whirl with the product you have left. It should be able to get in there and really do it's job.

That being said, your first experience sounds a lot like mine, results wise. Some things I learned to do differently by my second time:

1. Start early in the day. The earlier the better. My first experience was just like yours where the sweating was involved. I was hot and miserable by the end. The second time I started at 6am and finished well before 10. I immediately turned on the A/C and then a half hour later closed the windows. I left the fans running and pointing out the windows to help to get any remaining fumes out during the half hour. I experienced not a bit of reversion.

2. Apply the treatment to towel dried hair; the hair should still be slightly damp during application. I say this because this will allow you to use less product and get the thin coating that is needed. Comb through each section with a fine tooth comb to remove any excess product as you apply. Smooth the excess back into the bowl.

Tip! :idea: leave the small tooth comb resting in the bowl as you section your hair into small pieces. Pick the comb up coated with product and comb it through the hair starting at the top. Then go back a couple times and comb through to remove excess and smooth it back into the bowl. For me, this eliminates the need for an application brush and I can apply much much faster.

Also, it's important to note that you need this thin coating of product as you do not want your hair sticking together as you mentioned when you went to do the flat iron.

3. I'm about to do BKT number 4 and I've decided to do some heavy duty DCing right before application. Meaning I'm going to wash with a clarifying poo (a single lather to remove cones) the evening before application and then coat my hair in DC overnight.

The morning of application I'm going to wash with my clarifying shampoo several times to open the cuticle and apply my BKT to towel dried hair, as normal. I'm not sure if this is something that will help my process, but I feel that since the application of BKT is so heavy duty on heat, it may better prepare my hair for the intense process to be as moisture rich as possible. I'll report back as to how this went for my hair.

3. And this is specific to your experience; icks-nay one the enna-hay... capiche? lol I mean, henna is awesome. I've used it myself. But unless you're abso-positively sure how something is going to affect a new process, you are better off leaving it out.

I have worry about the henna's affect on your hair before bkt. Many many many have complained of the drying effects of henna even after following their henna with copious amounts of DCing and what-have-you. Your henna was followed by clarifying poo and a new process that seals your hair. I think the BKT is the perfect balance of moisture/protein so I don't really think this will cause you a problem... I certainly hope not, anyway. I just don't think it's a good idea to seal the hair in this extremely dry state. But at least it appears to be sealed in with the bkt. So hopefully I that will be enough.

Man, I'm tired.. I'm going back to sleep. Good luck! Talk to you guys later.

Thank you BKT guru.
Deep conditioning before or after Henna works best, or mix Henna with some kind of oil or moisturizing conditioner esp. on curly kinky hair. Henna has it's own issues and really is a treatment on it's own without adding the BKT to it. Personally I wouldn't henna and BKT unless a month had passed between treatments.
Oh, oh, more bad reviews on that Liquid Keratin read past the "great" reviews the real deal starts page 3 and on:

http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/showthread.php?t=66254&page=6

 

[cutenss]

Awww man, Mystic I'm so sorry you had this experience! Truth be told, I posted pics of my first bkt and I wasn't crazy about my results either... until after the first wash . I washed after 24 hours and really enjoyed the ease of detangling. A week later I did a second BKT and I was in love! I washed that one after 2 days.

Now about this henna... I dunno. I know it might seem like henna and color are the same thing but it's really not. Even though henna can be used to color the hair it does not do the same thing as traditional color.

As Lucia said it seals the hair. So that would be completely different than why one might color or relax immediately followed by bkt. If one were to do a color (traditional semi perm, permanent, etc) or a relaxer right before the treatment; either of these processes would raise the cuticle allowing the bkt to get inside and be fused with the hair with the heat. But since henna does exactly the opposite sealing the shaft, I imagine that it works against the BKT to do it on the same day.

I highly recommend you wash your hair early. Do some serious serious deep conditioning. In a week, give it another whirl with the product you have left. It should be able to get in there and really do it's job.

That being said, your first experience sounds a lot like mine, results wise. Some things I learned to do differently by my second time:

1. Start early in the day. The earlier the better. My first experience was just like yours where the sweating was involved. I was hot and miserable by the end. The second time I started at 6am and finished well before 10. I immediately turned on the A/C and then a half hour later closed the windows. I left the fans running and pointing out the windows to help to get any remaining fumes out during the half hour. I experienced not a bit of reversion.

2. Apply the treatment to towel dried hair; the hair should still be slightly damp during application. I say this because this will allow you to use less product and get the thin coating that is needed. Comb through each section with a fine tooth comb to remove any excess product as you apply. Smooth the excess back into the bowl.

Tip! :idea: leave the small tooth comb resting in the bowl as you section your hair into small pieces. Pick the comb up coated with product and comb it through the hair starting at the top. Then go back a couple times and comb through to remove excess and smooth it back into the bowl. For me, this eliminates the need for an application brush and I can apply much much faster.

Also, it's important to note that you need this thin coating of product as you do not want your hair sticking together as you mentioned when you went to do the flat iron.

3. I'm about to do BKT number 4 and I've decided to do some heavy duty DCing right before application. Meaning I'm going to wash with a clarifying poo (a single lather to remove cones) the evening before application and then coat my hair in DC overnight.

The morning of application I'm going to wash with my clarifying shampoo several times to open the cuticle and apply my BKT to towel dried hair, as normal. I'm not sure if this is something that will help my process, but I feel that since the application of BKT is so heavy duty on heat, it may better prepare my hair for the intense process to be as moisture rich as possible. I'll report back as to how this went for my hair.

3. And this is specific to your experience; icks-nay one the enna-hay... capiche? lol I mean, henna is awesome. I've used it myself. But unless you're abso-positively sure how something is going to affect a new process, you are better off leaving it out.

I have worry about the henna's affect on your hair before bkt. Many many many have complained of the drying effects of henna even after following their henna with copious amounts of DCing and what-have-you. Your henna was followed by clarifying poo and a new process that seals your hair. I think the BKT is the perfect balance of moisture/protein so I don't really think this will cause you a problem... I certainly hope not, anyway. I just don't think it's a good idea to seal the hair in this extremely dry state. But at least it appears to be sealed in with the bkt. So hopefully I that will be enough.

Man, I'm tired.. I'm going back to sleep. Good luck! Talk to you guys later.

Hey Sheba1 I feel like I copied your post. At least I know that we are all on the same page about the post care for Mystic's hair.

 

[AtlantaJJ]

Mystic, I'm so sorry I wish you would have PMed me I would have told you Noooooooooooooooooooo! Those two processes compete with each other. They both bond with the keratin on the hair cuticle. I love henna but would never use them together. I would maybe try henna 3 weeks after a BKT and 4 weeks before my next to get the hair back supple and to allow some of the henna to wear off the cuticle.

I switched to Sebastian Cellophones for my color and they work together beautifully. I still waited 2 weeks between processes. That's the safe bet. Essentially you got a protein overload.

 

[Mystic]

Awww, Sheba you are the simply the best! Did you sleep lastnight??????

This entire email made me feel so better! I did use the fine tooth comb along with the brush application because you had given me this tip in one of your PMs. I am going to do the BKT in a week as per your advice and I will print this page for more reference.

Awww man, Mystic I'm so sorry you had this experience! Truth be told, I posted pics of my first bkt and I wasn't crazy about my results either... until after the first wash . I washed after 24 hours and really enjoyed the ease of detangling. A week later I did a second BKT and I was in love! I washed that one after 2 days.

Now about this henna... I dunno. I know it might seem like henna and color are the same thing but it's really not. Even though henna can be used to color the hair it does not do the same thing as traditional color.

As Lucia said it seals the hair. So that would be completely different than why one might color or relax immediately followed by bkt. If one were to do a color (traditional semi perm, permanent, etc) or a relaxer right before the treatment; either of these processes would raise the cuticle allowing the bkt to get inside and be fused with the hair with the heat. But since henna does exactly the opposite sealing the shaft, I imagine that it works against the BKT to do it on the same day.

I highly recommend you wash your hair early. Do some serious serious deep conditioning. In a week, give it another whirl with the product you have left. It should be able to get in there and really do it's job.

That being said, your first experience sounds a lot like mine, results wise. Some things I learned to do differently by my second time:

1. Start early in the day. The earlier the better. My first experience was just like yours where the sweating was involved. I was hot and miserable by the end. The second time I started at 6am and finished well before 10. I immediately turned on the A/C and then a half hour later closed the windows. I left the fans running and pointing out the windows to help to get any remaining fumes out during the half hour. I experienced not a bit of reversion.

2. Apply the treatment to towel dried hair; the hair should still be slightly damp during application. I say this because this will allow you to use less product and get the thin coating that is needed. Comb through each section with a fine tooth comb to remove any excess product as you apply. Smooth the excess back into the bowl.

Tip! :idea: leave the small tooth comb resting in the bowl as you section your hair into small pieces. Pick the comb up coated with product and comb it through the hair starting at the top. Then go back a couple times and comb through to remove excess and smooth it back into the bowl. For me, this eliminates the need for an application brush and I can apply much much faster.

Also, it's important to note that you need this thin coating of product as you do not want your hair sticking together as you mentioned when you went to do the flat iron.

3. I'm about to do BKT number 4 and I've decided to do some heavy duty DCing right before application. Meaning I'm going to wash with a clarifying poo (a single lather to remove cones) the evening before application and then coat my hair in DC overnight.

The morning of application I'm going to wash with my clarifying shampoo several times to open the cuticle and apply my BKT to towel dried hair, as normal. I'm not sure if this is something that will help my process, but I feel that since the application of BKT is so heavy duty on heat, it may better prepare my hair for the intense process to be as moisture rich as possible. I'll report back as to how this went for my hair.

4. And this is specific to your experience; icks-nay one the enna-hay... capiche? lol I mean, henna is awesome. I've used it myself. But unless you're abso-positively sure how something is going to affect a new process, you are better off leaving it out.

I have worry about the henna's affect on your hair before bkt. Many many many have complained of the drying effects of henna even after following their henna with copious amounts of DCing and what-have-you. Your henna was followed by clarifying poo and a new process that seals your hair. I think the BKT is the perfect balance of moisture/protein so I don't really think this will cause you a problem... I certainly hope not, anyway. I just don't think it's a good idea to seal the hair in this extremely dry state. But at least it appears to be sealed in with the bkt. So hopefully I that will be enough.

Man, I'm tired.. I'm going back to sleep. Good luck! Talk to you guys later.

 

[Mystic]

Awww, man, the part in bold really made me so misty eyed - thanks Cuteness! I trimmed the ends lastnight but some dry parts remain I will deep condition per your advice and see how it goes. I am going to wash in two days also and hope to report positive news.

I can't thank you and SHeba enough for your encouragement and advice.

I am so sorry that you did not have a good experience. I agree with Lucia. I am in no way a henna guru. I believe that the henna impeded the BKT from doing what is meant to do. You should have not need the amount you used. On my second BKT last month, I DID NOT wait the 4 days. I washed after 2 days. If you feel that you need to wash, cowash/deep condition every day to every other day as your hair can tolerate. This will also help with you ends that you say are dry, so that you may not have to trim. This will also give you an indication if any of the BKT took. And you definately be able to tell. WE/LHCF will help you through this. Everything will be OK. PM me ANYTIME

 

[Mystic]

I carely learned my lesson now - kind of glad I learned the hard way because now, it can only get better. Thanks so much for your feedback.

Mystic, I'm so sorry I wish you would have PMed me I would have told you Noooooooooooooooooooo! Those two processes compete with each other. They both bond with the keratin on the hair cuticle. I love henna but would never use them together. I would maybe try henna 3 weeks after a BKT and 4 weeks before my next to get the hair back supple and to allow some of the henna to wear off the cuticle.

I switched to Sebastian Cellophones for my color and they work together beautifully. I still waited 2 weeks between processes. That's the safe bet. Essentially you got a protein overload.

 

[MissRissa]

so im trying to see if the pros outweigh the cons. my bkt has left my hair alot easier to manage. my wash n go's are so much easier. detangling is like nothing!! and i dont lose very much hair. but i've noticed since bkting (i rock wash n go's probably 4-5 out of 7 days a week), i get a buttload of single strand knots. before, i only used to get a few here and there, now they are everywhere. someone rollerset me the other day and my hair dried in no time and it was super smooth when it dried. the chick that did my hair completely jacked up the flat iron so I can't report on how the bkt has affected the straightening. i also still get some heat damage from straightening which i thought the bkt was going to curb. so i dunno ladies. the jury is still out.

 

[lwilliams1922]

I havent updated photos on my fotki yet but I wanted to update on my BKT.

I used QOD gold first then global.

Well I can now do a wash and go on my unrelaxed 4A --> curly/wavy in stead of frizzy.

products:
I'm finding my hair now responds differently to different products.
My hair did not like protein or cones before now I don't seem to have the same issues with them.
I don't use a lot of product but just the other day I found that keratin leave in spray followed by some shea butter was GREAT

Curls:
I thought the BKT was wearing of slightly with each wash. It looks like my curls return a bit with each but then i decided to dry and flat iron. WOW BKT is still in effect and gave me a great press. I air dried my hair for 30 mins then blow dried lightly for 5-7 mins. That would have been un heard of with my natural 4a. I used some sabino and the flat ironed hair came out smooth and shiny.
My husband is supportive of the natural but he is LOVING the BKT.

growth:

my hair has been in a growth slump the past few months. I have about 3-4 gray hairs that i have been watching to check for growth (since the last henna). Well in the last month I see those grays sprouting faster than they have in the last 6 months.
I dusted my ends after BKT #2 as they REALLY needed it. Since then the look much better and I hardly see any shedding these days.

color:
I've never colored my hair because i'm prone to dryness but i have been doing henna's for the past 6 months. I don't want to risk the BKT so now I have a big box full of henna that's going unused i would kind of like to go back to brown/black instead of the henna redish. I'm not sure if i should look for an indigo, try some color or just let it grow/wear out.

I like the QOD gold and the global but I would love to try the soft liss. Is there anywhere to buy it cheaper that the site? I love the BKT but it's draining my pockets.

 

[Lucia]

I ordered the Goleshee BKT, I liked the results and it's not too many steps and I can always delay wash day. I really liked what I saw Soft-Liss results too but I'm not ready to go pin-straight I love having the thickness and weight of my hair and be able to do wash and go's.

 

[Dak]

Mystic so sorry you didn't have a good experience. It's a heck of a lot of work not to get the results you expect. I agree with the advice you've been given about washing it out early & then deep conditioning. There are some very well researched ladies here!

 

[yodie]

Your hair will recover, Mystic. It seems like a setback, but it'll be fine in no time. The ladies gave you great advice. I'm not a BKT expert by any means, but I've been following the threads. I remember using henna on my natural hair and it felt crazy hard. I was scared and thought it was gonna fall out. I wet my hair, applied tons of scurl, let it sit for hours and my moisture returned. Go figure!!

I think you should try BKT again in a couple of weeks. I'm sure you'll have a better result.
Keep us posted. Crossing our fingers for you.

 

[Mystic]

Well you know what ladies, you all are awesome! I have some very good news!!

I was supposed to wash my hair in 4 days BUT my hair looked too dry for my taste so I washed my hair just now. I didn't care if the BKT came out, I just wanted to wash my hair and believe me now, I take back everything I said about how disappointed I was. Now I truly know and feel what 3-something hair-type feels when they do wash and go. My hair has never felt this good - even with a relaxer, I kid you not!! I am truly amazed at this BKT stuff because even though my hair needed to stay away from water for 4 days for it to soak in properly, it still worked in only 1 day - AMAZING!!

Here is a pic of my wash and go w/out BKT:


Here are pictures of my wash and go with BKT (and to think I thought I did a really lousy job!). I HAVE CURLS, LOL!! and I have no product in my hair yet - naked naked.



Thanks to everyone in this thread that have contributed to the discussion on BKT, I am now truly in love!

 

[Dak]

That's the best news, Mystic! I think winterinatl had a similar experience, glad it had a happy ending!

 

[Sui Topi]

Thanks AtlantaJJ, I think I will just get the kit.

 

[jayjaycurlz]

Well you know what ladies, you all are awesome! I have some very good news!!

I was supposed to wash my hair in 4 days BUT my hair looked too dry for my taste so I washed my hair just now. I didn't care if the BKT came out, I just wanted to wash my hair and believe me now, I take back everything I said about how disappointed I was. Now I truly know and feel what 3-something hair-type feels when they do wash and go. My hair has never felt this good - even with a relaxer, I kid you not!! I am truly amazed at this BKT stuff because even though my hair needed to stay away from water for 4 days for it to soak in properly, it still worked in only 1 day - AMAZING!!

Here is a pic of my wash and go w/out BKT:


Here are pictures of my wash and go with BKT (and to think I thought I did a really lousy job!). I HAVE CURLS, LOL!! and I have no product in my hair yet - naked naked.



Thanks to everyone in this thread that have contributed to the discussion on BKT, I am now truly in love!

I was wondering if ladies were really waiting out the 4 days or not. Thanks for this post. I BKT'd on Sunday and I'm drying to wash my hair. I cowash on the daily so the past 2 days have been torture for me! I'm going to DC overnight and cowash in the morning, on the 3rd day. I hope my 1st post BKT wash n' go looks a fly as yours!

jayjay

 

[sheba1]

Hot dog, Mystic!!! Look at that nakey wash-n-go! Gurrrrrrrl

So tell me, have you done any detangling yet? Whaddaya think? Notice any difference?

I'm so so so so very very glad :blush3: that you are more pleased after your wash. Now, if you're thinking of different products to use for your wash-n-gos check out the curly primer method at www.tightlycurly.com. I love her method! I don't do all that separating stuff or even use my denman but every so often but the technique is awesome. I also think the cones in the suggested "combing conditioners" help to preserve the treatment. I did daily cowashing and/or rinsing on natural hair and my BKT still lasted for over 5 weeks.

 

[Mystic]

You are too kind..., can't wait to see your pics.....

I was wondering if ladies were really waiting out the 4 days or not. Thanks for this post. I BKT'd on Sunday and I'm drying to wash my hair. I cowash on the daily so the past 2 days have been torture for me! I'm going to DC overnight and cowash in the morning, on the 3rd day. I hope my 1st post BKT wash n' go looks a fly as yours!

jayjay

 

[Mystic]

As usual Sheba, thanks for all the tips! I saw your post about the curly method and I printed her info to refer to later on. To be honest, there really isn't anything to detangle, lol. I washed, dc and used my fingers to detangle . When my hair was about 80% dry, I used my fingers to make parts and did big twists. I can't really describe how truly wonderful my hair feels but I am sure you understand totally what I am talking about . My hair twisted looks exactly like my natural hair w/out the BKT only the texture and feel is different.

Hot dog, Mystic!!! Look at that nakey wash-n-go! Gurrrrrrrl

So tell me, have you done any detangling yet? Whaddaya think? Notice any difference?

I'm so so so so very very glad :blush3: that you are more pleased after your wash. Now, if you're thinking of different products to use for your wash-n-gos check out the curly primer method at www.tightlycurly.com. I love her method! I don't do all that separating stuff or even use my denman but every so often but the technique is awesome. I also think the cones in the suggested "combing conditioners" help to preserve the treatment. I did daily cowashing and/or rinsing on natural hair and my BKT still lasted for over 5 weeks.

 

[cutenss]

My first BKT, I did wait the four full days. Since it was my firt time doing it, I wanted to "go by the book". But my second time, I had to go somewhere to go, and I knew that I would not flatiron anymore, until my next treatment. So I used a wave iron the second day, and then washed later that day. When I do it on Friday, I will probably wait the four days just because it is my birthday weekend. Otherwise no.

Mystic, I AM SO HAPPY that everything turned out the way you wanted. Your hair looks AWESOME! Gotta love some wash n go's BKT style. Hair is trial and error. But always know that you have us/this forum to guide you.