Keratin Treatment Support Thread

[sheba1]

^^^ Softliss is definitely the winner if you want to go the formaldehyde free route. And Dreamhair has won several hearts for those that are willing to go the 2% formaldehyde route.

Off to check the link, but just out of curiosity. Have you asked if the official site will ship to you? http://softliss.com

ETA: checked out the link. Yeah, if you can just go with the company as you can get the entire 8 oz kit for just $10 more.

http://www.softliss.com/carrito/

 

[MissMeWithThatIsh]

Yea the Brazil Tech is a Rusk Knockoff, and I love it.

My hair has curls on it's "natural new growth" post Dream hair... my hair is sooooo soft, I love it. I actually have had my hair out since last week... I'm going on 2 weeks soon with my hair out... lol I'm a little lazy about braiding it back up. And my black hair is staying black now... LOVE it.

 

[Natural Glow]

Yea the Brazil Tech is a Rusk Knockoff, and I love it.

I went to Sally's today and didn't see this anywhere.And it's not even on their website now. I hope it's not discontinued.

 

[cutenss]

Tell me more about Dreamhair. Any 100% naturals using it yet?

Are your curls coming back after the first wash?

Have any of the chemists figured out what makes Dreamhair different from Softliss, Global and the other BKT's?

I use it, and am all natural. No BKT ever affected my curl pattern. It loosened slightly. I love it. I will be doing it again at the very end of 2009, to bring the new year, and a new regimen.

 

[Damaged but not out]

Ok just bought my Soft liss will do this in Dec

 

[Natural Glow]

So I got my Dream Hair...Thanks Fab . I was planning on doing it tomorrow but I may wait. I think i have some heat damage from a roller wrap I got last weekend. Which is funny cause using 430° flatiron multiple times while applying my BKT caused no damage, but she used a marcel iron once and now some of my strands are straight.

 

[chesmi]

@Atlanta
...i am just posting information. I am just posting info that I found.<snip> for you.

@ lauryn
<snip>...I have seen this on salons and suppliers websites. it does not say enhancement to healthy hair only. I have read sites that advertises the more damaged the better results you will see.

IMO it is not just the regimen. Relaxer is a relaxer no matter what your reggie afterwards. The reggie can help maintain healthy hair but it does not change the fact that it is a relaxer.<snip>

I agree with what the others have stated. I think it most helpful for us all if the info we get from these salons, blogs and supplier sites were specifically directed at ethnic or African-Amer hair type.

And just to clarify, BKT does not "transform" the hair follicle, this is what a "relaxer" does. As previously stated, BKT *coats* any damage present, to the hair follicle.

Just my 2¢

 

[cutenss]

I agree with what the others have stated. I think it most helpful for us all if the info we get from these salons, blogs and supplier sites were specifically directed at ethnic or African-Amer hair type.

And just to clarify, BKT does not "transform" the hair follicle, this is what a "relaxer" does. As previously stated, BKT *coats* any damage present, to the hair follicle.

Just my 2¢

This bears continous repeating

 

[*fabulosity*]

Yay NG!
now we gotta wait for you and these pics!

 

[me-T]

i saw the thread about the paris hilton iron that's a ceramic version of the instyler. it goes up to 450 degrees, so maybe it could help get more straightness? i want one!

 

[AtlantaJJ]

Thanks for the information. I won't need to henna again for at least three to four weeks - so I should be ok.

AngieB are you still out there and still doing the BKT + Henna...

I have gone a long while since I last hennaed and I realize why I used to henna. I have a lot of grays!!

My cellophanes are not quite covering the gray well enough at the roots and in the front. I am really tempted to get the henna back out...

Does anyone henna and BKT on this thread? I need a perm color to cover my grays but I don't want to use a box color.

Anyone?

 

[Br*nzeb*mbsh~ll]

I use black rose kali mehandi (indigo), AJJ. it has trace amounts of ppg, in it, though. I've used it for almost two years now, and it's great. Ofcourse, i haven't bkt'd since July. But no issues for me.

Black Rose’ Kali Mehandi : It is a henna based powder hair dye for coloring gray hair in black. It is India’s largest selling henna based powder hair dye. It is India’s first powder hair dye to be accredited with ‘ISI’ mark, which is a mark of quality issued by Govt. Inspection Agency. It has a very small content of chemical, which is less then 3% after dilution. Its color stays on hair for 20-25 days. Available in 10 gms. consumer packing.


http://www.myethnicworld.com/p-3904-black-rose-kali-mehndi-powder-hair-dye-176-oz.aspx

 

[Eisani]

That is great news. It sounds like Rejuvenol, except the smell and no fumes part.

Now see, I keep reading where people say there were no fumes but maybe I'm just extra sensitive because I have to run a fan otherwise the smell is a bit strong for me. I'm not using an excessive amount, but my eyes will water and burn a bit if I don't run a fan.

 

[Eisani]

AngieB are you still out there and still doing the BKT + Henna...

I have gone a long while since I last hennaed and I realize why I used to henna. I have a lot of grays!!

My cellophanes are not quite covering the gray well enough at the roots and in the front. I am really tempted to get the henna back out...

Does anyone henna and BKT on this thread? I need a perm color to cover my grays but I don't want to use a box color.

Anyone?

I wanna know this as well. I don't have grays to cover, but it seems like the henna made my hair more resistant to cellophanes and I was thinking about going back to henna. Anyone? Bueller?

 

[*fabulosity*]

Hey BKT bellas...

Another rave over here... Now I've been very strict about which products I'm using on my hair.. but my hair loves loves loves protein now.

So I did a treatment with this

http://www.jasminesbathandbeautyproducts.com/catalog.php/jasmines/dt84869/Reconstructor__Rebuilder

Y'all will remember my original rave... well multiply that times a MILLION with the BKT... I mean... it felt like new hair... I did mama fab's hair with it and again SUCCESS..

You all better get some of this before the sale ends today. I think she sells samples....

I WUV it... I think it might be better (for me anyway) then Rusk Keratin Smoothing (is that considered a protein)... I'm not all scientific like y'all...

Have I ever steered you ladies wrong... ?? Just get it if you can get a sample and then come back and let me know how you like it...it's that deal. I'm wondering if I can do it every other week and alternate with the Rusk Keratin treatment...

Oh and I'm slowly but surely getting to BSL.

 

[*fabulosity*]

I wanna know this as well. I don't have grays to cover, but it seems like the henna made my hair more resistant to cellophanes and I was thinking about going back to henna. Anyone? Bueller?

Oh stop lying

You older than me and I got some.

 

[AtlantaJJ]

I wanna know this as well. I don't have grays to cover, but it seems like the henna made my hair more resistant to cellophanes and I was thinking about going back to henna. Anyone? Bueller?

You know what's strange is that I think the BKT might be making my gray hairs resistant to the cellophanes. I can see the cellophanes in my hair in general, but it is hard to get it to stick on my grays. I think grays are resistant in general.

The good news is that my hair is getting thicker, the other news is that much of my new hairs are coming in gray. And I have more on the right side of my head than the left Actually I am thankful to have lived long enough to have the need ti deal with this issue

 

[Dak]

You all better get some of this before the sale ends today. I think she sells samples....

Is there a coupon code you can share, Fab? Or is $10 the sale price?

I found the code for today, hairluv

Have you tried any of her shampoos? Any you'd recommend?

 

[*fabulosity*]

Yes.. I have tried and have everything... and of course love it... (just search my S/N) and Jasmine's... the face stuff .. bomb.. the body stuff bomb... She has her own rolling cart.

I have only used the nourishing hair bath which is really good... moisturizing.. but I'm pretty much "off" poos unless it is clarifying for when I do the BKT. If you can just get the full size one.. it will last forever... let me know if you can't fnd my post on it.. I loved it on my texlaxed hair.. but I LOOOOOOOVE it on my BKT'ed hair. It's like taffy.. and it makes my hair wave up.. You have to rub it in your hands to distribute it and then put it on your hair... combined with heat... = LOVE I went under the dryer for 40 minutes.. my hair was all defined and waved up like I had a SKURL when I took the baggie off.. I rinsed it with COLD COLD Spring water... and my hair was soooo shiny and soft... so I'm thinking its a protein.

Not sure .. but my other thing is that I know my relaxed hair likes protein.. so my other thought was to do my moisturizing DC from the root to the midshaft where the natural hair starts and then use the recon on the midshaft to the ends...

I be over hyeah thinking...

 

[*fabulosity*]

You know what's strange is that I think the BKT might be making my gray hairs resistant to the cellophanes. I can see the cellophanes in my hair in general, but it is hard to get it to stick on my grays. I think grays are resistant in general.

The good news is that my hair is getting thicker, the other news is that much of my new hairs are coming in gray. And I have more on the right side of my head than the left Actually I am thankful to have lived long enough to have the need ti deal with this issue

Yes they are OMG...
I wasted.. let me say WASTED about 4 oz of negro colorshowers on my mother because I wanted to get her on something other than Bigen... I clarified put the color mixed with shiny happy (not too long) on...up under the dryer .. rinsed..did the recon on her ... and it was a waste.. .them GRAYs was looking .... like b pleez... ain't nothing you can do with them. And had the nerve to be all healthy and super shiny looking...LMAO. Bigen is the only thing that I have found that covers hers.

 

[AtlantaJJ]

Yes they are OMG...
I wasted.. let me say WASTED about 4 oz of negro colorshowers on my mother because I wanted to get her on something other than Bigen... I clarified put the color mixed with shiny happy (not too long) on...up under the dryer .. rinsed..did the recon on her ... and it was a waste.. .them GRAYs was looking .... like b pleez... ain't nothing you can do with them. And had the nerve to be all healthy and super shiny looking...LMAO. Bigen is the only thing that I have found that covers hers.

My hair is fine, my gray hairs are course, shinny and stick straight. Mine are white instead of gray! They look pretty when I can get the cellophane to stick to them, they look like highlights. I don't have THAT many but, I'm getting more not less as time goes on so I'm going to have to come up with a plan B. Perhaps I can do some gentle semi-perm color on my roots, end the cellophanes on the length of my hair.

I don't want to color them away, I like them looking like highlights.

 

[chesmi]

Hi All,

I can't stress enough how fabulous I think this forum is! Thank you all for the wealth of valuable information .

I want to BKT but need some help for the prep. I've been perming my hair for 30 years. I guess I have (soft) somewhere around 3b'ish hair which I've been neglecting. I've read that I should start strengthening it with protein therapy, is this correct? I've recently purchased: Sabino Moisture Block 3 oz, Rusk Pro Element's Keratin Treatment; Keratin Conditioner, and Earthly Body Soaking Wet Sulfate-Free Shampoo. Is this a good start? Never been a DC kinda person (I have a short attention span) but will try and get some in.

Hate to wash my hair! I use Soya Protien poo by Biotique (a company with purely Ayurvedic products), 100% Pure Tea poo by Fantasia, Protein hair cream by Himalaya Herbals with dabs of Vatika coconut oil and/or some jasmine oil. I have hair breakage in the front section and no matter how long I leave the relaxer in that part is still rough and frizzy. The time between my last touch-up, 1 year. Yes, lazy I am . The Biotique stuff is really, really wonderful. You can find it online but this is the cheapest place, even if it is being shipped from India, and it arrives within 5/7 days but I digress...

I will probably be using the DreamHair product but someone mentioned that you should clarify you hair before. I only see it being sold with a poo that I assume is used *after* the process, or am I wrong?

ok, I think that's enough for now . Thanks all!

 

[AtlantaJJ]

Did we mention if Jasmine is having a sale or not? :scratchch

 

[sheba1]

Guys, what is so different about us?

I was reading through that BKT Pros and Cons thread and some ladies are having real trouble. I mean exploding strands and all kinds of stuff Mystic said her hair is thinning from just two treatments and is near ruined. So what's different about us? What's the common factor in those who's hair thrives on BKT and those who's hair crumbles?

I don't know if my hair was heat sensitive or not; I'd only straightened my healthy hair once before BKT. I know my hair looked a hot mess when I had a relaxer but that was 15 years ago and I didn't know a thing about hair. My strands are extremely fine... Like extreme. No one would ever accuse me of having strong or indestructable hair; it's always been fragile. And my Mom was shocked that it's grown as long as it has. You can see from my siggy that it's not all that long, yet, but she's amazed. Because the only time my hair ever grew past my shoulders was when I had a curl (as a youth).

So what is it?? My hair is fragile and fine and, as far as I know, it can't take heat all that well. Anyone's hair thriving on BKT that used to be protein sensitive? Are these other folks protein sensitive? Heat sensitive? Some strange combination of the two? Because, I'm telling you, it's killing me that my sisters are having so much trouble. And I feel so very sad, because I know many of them were inspired to try the treatment because of the success my own hair has experienced with BKT.

I'm serious, I went to search and destroy on my ends the other day and my hair and it's like my hair doesn't know what a split is, right now. I really want to know why. Am I just lucky? That can't be it...

Is it that some changed their reggies to incorporate more protein after the BKT? While others who'd thought their hair protein sensitive shied away and did moisture moisture moisture? Maybe BKT not only allows our hair to handle more protein... maybe our hair requires it after. I dunno... I'm open to thoughts and ideas from anyone who wants to try to figure this out with me. I'm so sad right now.

 

[Muse]

I hear you Sheba. While researching other BKT brands I ran across some threads on this board and others where people were saying they had bad breakage and even losing clumps of hair from the roots after several BKTs. I think several things could go wrong for people here:

1. The flat iron temp. I like to follow directions, so when they said flat iron at 450 degrees I did, whether my hair could handle it or not. Thankfully you sent me that PM suggesting I turn it down but if you didn't I would've continued on the higher heat. Maybe that is what some people did. On another site stylists were telling the people who complained of breakage after the treatment to TURN DOWN THE HEAT.

2. If people are shedding from the root it could be because they are getting it on their scalp. Have to be VERY careful with application.

3. I suspect some formulas don't do as well with damage repair as others. I was going to try another brand, Inoar, but when I saw the ingredients the Keratin was way at the bottom compared to other brands. I would think the more keratin it has the more strength and repair you get.

This stuff is made for damaged hair so I too cannot understand how it could do further damage but I suspect most of it is due to number 1 and maybe improper application-not coating the hair with enough solution. Just like relaxers, if you apply them properly to some people's hair their hair can thrive and grow long but if you apply it improperly to that same person's head they will suffer breakage/shedding. I know that some people have had it done at the salon and have had their hair ruined but we all know that even the "professional" stylists can mess up a BKT.

ETA: A lot of times if you dig for a little more info about people's bad experiences you will find that it's not the BKT at all but the person themselves. I think BKT can give you the false sense that everything's perfect and you no longer have to DC, monitor the heat usage, wrap hair up at night, etc. Someone posted that they got breakage after BKT but they admitted that they were flat ironing a lot more as well, so what's the culprit? The treatment itself or the person?

 

[lilikoi]

After lurking for weeks I'm compelled to post. Forgive the lack of pictures- I'll post them later this week.

I did my first BKT 3 weeks ago using dream hair (I was 4 weeks post relaxer, my hair is 4a/b, fine, dry, cottony). I was like the poster child for BKT! Soft, silky, shiny hair with swang! I couldn't believe it. The one thing I didn't like was the cooked-hair smell. When I washed my hair the first time it was soft and not frizzy (air dried), like a fresh relaxer but with roots. While I was not losing tons of hair like I always do when I have new growth I noticed some broken pieces of hair on the sink. Nothing major,but it concerned me because it was not my normal pattern. I suspected I had damaged some of my ends because I even though I was careful to cover all my strands I actually used very little product (in my opinion). But since I wasn't seeing my usual handful of broken long hairs I was so encouraged that I decided to order some global 4% to try and tame the roots (using the babyliss root iron). I did my 2nd bkt yesterday. The results were not fantastic. Actually, it was kind of awful.
I followed the directions, did it as before but I somehow used more product and my hair felt more coated. I was disappointed when I started flat ironing and my hair didn't react as before: I didn't fall as nicely, it smelled burnt, and it WASN'T SHINY! Long story short. I ended up with a dull, slightly stiff, head of fragile hair. I've got lots of short (1/2 inch broken pieces) along with longer (3-5 inches) ones. I was so upset I washed and conditionded (with coppola keratin condish) my hair today, followed by Aphogee green tea/keratin spray. It looks and feels better, but not BKT'd.

So this is why I'm posting: It seems like the common link among the people not so thrilled with BKT is RELAXED HAIR. Frankly, even after my mostly positive Dream Hair experience I was slightly underwhelmed. I just kept thinking: "what's the point?" my hair is already straight and the roots are still crunchy. In fact, I got very positive results a few weeks before my first BKT just using Aphogee protein treatment followed by green tea spray and curling iron (with and iron that now seems COLD compared to the heat from the babyliss titanium nano I used for the BKT). It was a lot cheaper, less labor intensive, less traumatic and DID NOT DAMAGE MY HAIR!
Don't get me wrong-I still think BKT has potential for me, but I'll wait until I have a lot more new growth. This post has inspired me to attempt to go natural ( I'm really bored with relaxing) and I had hoped that BKT would be the best option to ease the transition...But, maybe not.

 

[*fabulosity*]

Guys, what is so different about us?

I was reading through that BKT Pros and Cons thread and some ladies are having real trouble. I mean exploding strands and all kinds of stuff Mystic said her hair is thinning from just two treatments and is near ruined. So what's different about us? What's the common factor in those who's hair thrives on BKT and those who's hair crumbles?

I don't know if my hair was heat sensitive or not; I'd only straightened my healthy hair once before BKT. I know my hair looked a hot mess when I had a relaxer but that was 15 years ago and I didn't know a thing about hair. My strands are extremely fine... Like extreme. No one would ever accuse me of having strong or indestructable hair; it's always been fragile. And my Mom was shocked that it's grown as long as it has. You can see from my siggy that it's not all that long, yet, but she's amazed. Because the only time my hair ever grew past my shoulders was when I had a curl (as a youth).

So what is it?? My hair is fragile and fine and, as far as I know, it can't take heat all that well. Anyone's hair thriving on BKT that used to be protein sensitive? Are these other folks protein sensitive? Heat sensitive? Some strange combination of the two? Because, I'm telling you, it's killing me that my sisters are having so much trouble. And I feel so very sad, because I know many of them were inspired to try the treatment because of the success my own hair has experienced with BKT.

I'm serious, I went to search and destroy on my ends the other day and my hair and it's like my hair doesn't know what a split is, right now. I really want to know why. Am I just lucky? That can't be it...

Is it that some changed their reggies to incorporate more protein after the BKT? While others who'd thought their hair protein sensitive shied away and did moisture moisture moisture? Maybe BKT not only allows our hair to handle more protein... maybe our hair requires it after. I dunno... I'm open to thoughts and ideas from anyone who wants to try to figure this
out with me. I'm so sad right now.

I'm sorry.. I done gave up on them wenches... Really I don't e-fight with people about the BKT anymore.. I don't go into random threads where we people are talking smack about it...because it'll be a whole bunch of e- and e-::hardslap:... and I can't take it. I know that my hair thrives and each one of the 5 other heads that I have done it on have as well. I DON'T KNOW NOBODY IRL that I have done it or who has gotten it and has had a bad experience...and lets remember my IRL friends are not LHCF alum who know moisture/protein balance "extraness"... but regular every two weeks going to the salon chicks who do NOTHING to their hair in between. So I just stay away and I have decided that I can't save everybody ... so when people start that yapping... I just go to my happy spot and play with my hair and buy some BKT or other hair products. And I'm just gangsta to say that they didn't follow the directions or left some crucial part out. So there.

All I know is my hair is L U X U R I O U S... and I think I get more comments now about the health and shine than I did when I was waist length if that goes to tell anyone anything.

My advice to you Super Sheba1 is to only give advice when asked for DIRECTLY and stop trying to educate these *ladies*... I swear some of them are on some straight drama and I don't have the patience for that... Half the time I wonder if they even tried BKT or if it was some knock off version of a liquid keratin treatment...

 

[*fabulosity*]

Did we mention if Jasmine is having a sale or not? :scratchch

Yup I think it was 25% off.

 

[lilikoi]

And Sheba:

Thanks for feeling my pain. I really appreciate your kindness compassion!

Many blessings to you!

 

[naturalmanenyc]

I have not experienced any ill effects from BKT. I really don't know what it could be other than I am almost fully natural. I use the Rejuvenol after care poo & conditioner but that alone cannot be it.

My first 2 treatments were done professionally but I did the last 2 treatments at home with no problems. It really is a curious situation that some people have exploding strands and horrible breakage from BKT while others experience great growth & healthier hair.erplexed

Guys, what is so different about us?

I was reading through that BKT Pros and Cons thread and some ladies are having real trouble. I mean exploding strands and all kinds of stuff Mystic said her hair is thinning from just two treatments and is near ruined. So what's different about us? What's the common factor in those who's hair thrives on BKT and those who's hair crumbles?

I don't know if my hair was heat sensitive or not; I'd only straightened my healthy hair once before BKT. I know my hair looked a hot mess when I had a relaxer but that was 15 years ago and I didn't know a thing about hair. My strands are extremely fine... Like extreme. No one would ever accuse me of having strong or indestructable hair; it's always been fragile. And my Mom was shocked that it's grown as long as it has. You can see from my siggy that it's not all that long, yet, but she's amazed. Because the only time my hair ever grew past my shoulders was when I had a curl (as a youth).

So what is it?? My hair is fragile and fine and, as far as I know, it can't take heat all that well. Anyone's hair thriving on BKT that used to be protein sensitive? Are these other folks protein sensitive? Heat sensitive? Some strange combination of the two? Because, I'm telling you, it's killing me that my sisters are having so much trouble. And I feel so very sad, because I know many of them were inspired to try the treatment because of the success my own hair has experienced with BKT.

I'm serious, I went to search and destroy on my ends the other day and my hair and it's like my hair doesn't know what a split is, right now. I really want to know why. Am I just lucky? That can't be it...

Is it that some changed their reggies to incorporate more protein after the BKT? While others who'd thought their hair protein sensitive shied away and did moisture moisture moisture? Maybe BKT not only allows our hair to handle more protein... maybe our hair requires it after. I dunno... I'm open to thoughts and ideas from anyone who wants to try to figure this out with me. I'm so sad right now.