Official 2010 Ceramides Challenge

[simplyconfident]

What products/oils will you use?
Aubrey Organics White Camellia and Wheat Germ Oil
What ceramide is in your product?
Wheat germ oil
What position is the ceramide in the ingredient line? (EXAMPLE: 3rd ingredient or 8th ingredient).

How often will you use it?
WGO daily/every other day White Camellia weekly

What is your application method?
WGO to seal

Will you deep condition with ceramides?
Yes, and I may start adding the WGO to my prepoos to help use the bottle up before it expires

 

[taz007]

Those of you that are using WGO as a leave in, how do you mask the smell?

 

[simplyconfident]

^^ the smell is no joke! I use my wgo only at night and spray a few mist of shescentit moisturemist over it. In the morning I only smell it faintly, or else sombody needs to tell me I'm smelling foul, lol.

 

[MyAngelEyez~C~U]

Those of you that are using WGO as a leave in, how do you mask the smell?

I bought some scented oil, and I add a bit to my oil mix to give it a nice scent. I am currently adding CoCoMango scented oil.

 

[Vintageglam]

I'm in and thanks for starting the challenge OP


To sign up please post below your answers to the following questions:
What products/oils will you use?

Oils
Sunflower Oil (I have a cheapo brand I do not want to use for cooking so will mix into my DC's to finish it)
Wheat Germ Oil
Kukui Nut Oil

Treatments/ DC's
Matrix Biolage Hydra therapie
Matrix Biolage Forte therapie
Matrix Biolage Volume therapie
Matrix Biolage Forte therapie leave in spray
Mizani H20 Night time Intense
Home made daily spritz with Half vial of Matrix Biolage Volume therapie
Elasta QP Mango butter with a teaspoon of wheatgerm oil and 1/3 vial of Matrix Hydratherapie
Nexxus Humectress
Joico K-PAK
Joico Intense Hydrator
Joico Moisture Recovery Balm



What ceramide is in your product?
Not sure but I think C3


What position is the ceramide in the ingredient line? (EXAMPLE: 3rd ingredient or 8th ingredient).
Not sure - although I suspect usually within top 3 ingredients

How often will you use it?
Weekly/ bi-weekly for DC's
Every few days for moisturiser
Daily for spritz

What is your application method?
DC's - just apply to hair and steam in
Moisturiser - through hair concentrating on ends
Leave In - spritz hair daily

Will you deep condition with ceramides?
Yes this will be my main method of application

 

[jcdlox]

I'll join this challenge.

I will use Nexxus Therappe and Humectress weekly. I need to get a liquid leave in with a ceramide.

Nexxus has a liquid leave-in with Ceramide 3 - Humectress Luxe

 

[grow]

i JUST checked some of the labels on some of my products and found that Aphogee's ProVitamin Leave-In Conditioner has Wheat Germ Oil in it!

imagine my surprise!

the WGO is listed at number 7.

i hadn't been using it alot since it's got one of those 23 letter cones listed up front, but just might try it a bit more.

other than the cones, i can vouch for this product's efficiency.

 

[mzsophisticated26]

I want to join
What products/oils will you use? [B] I already use Joico k pak reconstructor and Silicon mix. I want to purchase som Skala G3.. ETA Creme of Nature poo( green label), Shea butter oil[/B]
What ceramide is in your product? silicon mix just says ceramides, Creme of Nature has wheat germ oil and Shea butter oil has sunflower oil
What position is the ceramide in the ingredient line?
Silicon mix has ceramide listed as the 12th ingredient
Creme of Nature poo has wheat germ oil as the 8th ingredient[/B
Shea butter oil(purchased from BSS) has Sunflower oil as the 4th ingredient

How often will you use it? [B]I wash with CON(green label)and DC weekly with a mixture of Silicon mix and keracare humecto, I sometimes add the shea butter oil with it. Joico Kpak recon. every 4wks or as needed
What is your application method? apply to hair after wash and DC for 1-2hrs. I seal with shea butter oil I will try to start cowashing when I get the skala g3
Will you deep condition with ceramides? yes, when I purchase SKala I will be replacing my humecto with that and use for a few months

 

[aprils13]

I'm in and thanks for starting the challenge OP


To sign up please post below your answers to the following questions:
What products/oils will you use?

Oils
Sunflower Oil (I have a cheapo brand I do not want to use for cooking so will mix into my DC's to finish it)
Wheat Germ Oil
Kukui Nut Oil

Treatments/ DC's
Matrix Biolage Hydra therapie
Matrix Biolage Forte therapie
Matrix Biolage Volume therapie
Matrix Biolage Forte therapie leave in spray
Mizani H20 Night time Intense
Home made daily spritz with Half vial of Matrix Biolage Volume therapie
Elasta QP Mango butter with a teaspoon of wheatgerm oil and 1/3 vial of Matrix Hydratherapie
Nexxus Humectress
Joico K-PAK
Joico Intense Hydrator
Joico Moisture Recovery Balm



What ceramide is in your product?
Not sure but I think C3


What position is the ceramide in the ingredient line? (EXAMPLE: 3rd ingredient or 8th ingredient).
Not sure - although I suspect usually within top 3 ingredients

How often will you use it?
Weekly/ bi-weekly for DC's
Every few days for moisturiser
Daily for spritz

What is your application method?
DC's - just apply to hair and steam in
Moisturiser - through hair concentrating on ends
Leave In - spritz hair daily

Will you deep condition with ceramides?
Yes this will be my main method of application

I'll try to remember to look for this next time I go to the grocery store.

 

[aprils13]

Nexxus has a liquid leave-in with Ceramide 3 - Humectress Luxe

Whats Ceramide 3? I was looking at this last night while at work and decided not to get it because I didnt see any ceramides in it. I purchased Bioinfusion Olive Oil Deep Condition instead. WGO is number 10 on the ingred list.

I usually dont leave conditioner in my hair overnight. Last time I did that my hair felt weak and mushy and there was a lot of hair in my comb after I rinsed it out. It was also at the beginning of my healthy hair journey. Last night I was really tired and left the dc in overnight. This morning I pulled my hair back into a bun without rinsing out the conditioner. My hair didnt feel mushy or weak and their wasnt a lot hair in my comb.

I'm not sure if it has something to do with the ceramides or the fact that the first time conditioned overnight my hair I still trying to figure out what my hair needed. I'll be wetting bunning for often, but I'll rinse the conditioner out.

 

[lolascurls]

What products/oils will you use?

L'Oreal Elvive Full Restore 5 Replenishing Conditioner
and L'Oreal Elvive Nutri-Ceramide Revitalising

Conditioner

What ceramide is in your product?
Don't know but both claim it all over!

How often will you use it?
At least once a week.

What is your application method?
Co-washing!
A little bit as a leave-in.

Will you deep condition with ceramides?
Not yet!

 

[chelleypie810]

I will have to join in a month or so because I'm really rreeeaallly trying to use up these two conditioners so I can get my stash down.
ETA: My conditioner that I'm using up has sunflower oil in it! Yay I can start now! To think this whole time I was using it and it had ceramides in it. No wonder I haven't had to use much protein condish..

What products/oils will you use? ION extreme moisture nurturing creme, renpure organics reconstructing treatment, renpure organics my pretty hair is parched condish, and AO HSR. Not really sure but my skala jaborandi condish has wheat germ extract..dunno if it counts or not. I will probably eventually add AO WC..if I can get my condish stash down.
What ceramide is in your product? ion- sunflower seed oil; renpure reconstruct.-kukui, renpure mphp-sunflower seed oil, ao hsr- wheat germ oil
What position is the ceramide in the ingredient line? (EXAMPLE: 3rd ingredient or 8th ingredient).
How often will you use it? weekly
What is your application method? put in hands then in hair
Will you deep condition with ceramides? yes maam.

 

[karolmel]

How do you know if an oil/extract is a ceramides?

WHAT ARE CERAMIDES??
If you have never tried ceramides, you are missing out. Ceramides are essential to the cohesion of the cuticle and maintenance of its protective effect for the hair shaft. Ceramides are known to protect and/or repair the hair fibers from or after attack by blowdriers, flatirons, and everyday wear and tear. In particular, ceramides limit the loss of protein, which gives the hair more strength and liveliness.


OILS CONTAINING CERAMIDES:

Barley Malt Oil
Eucalyptus Extract
Hemp Seed Oil
Hot 6 Oil *{WGO/3rd ingredient}*(added by LaFemmeNaturelle)
Kukui Oil
Sunflower Oil
Walnut Oil
Wheat Germ Oil

PRODUCTS CONTAINING CERAMIDES:
Aubrey Organics Products
BPT Wheat Germ Conditioner
Crece Pelo Leave-In
Garnier Fructis Instant Melting Strength and Repair Masque
Hask Cerafix
Joico K-Pak Reconstructor
Kan Kanechomn Ceramide Deep Conditioning Cream
L'Oreal Elvive Nutri-Ceramide Deep Repair Concentrate
L'Oreal Serle Expert Liss Starter Ionene G + Ceramide Pre-Smoothing Treatment
Matrix Biolage Cera-Repair
Matrix Biolage Fortifying conditioner
Matrix Biolage Cera-Repair Hydratherapie
Miss Key 10 en 1 Conditioner
Mizani Therma Smooth
Nexxus Therappe
Nexxus Humectress
Nexxus Keraphix
Nexxus Headdress
Nexxus Aloe Rid
Nexxus Botanoil Shampoo
Redken Extreme Conditioner
Redken Extreme Rescue Force
Redken Extreme Anti-Snap
Salerm Wheat Germ Conditioner
Sedal Products
Silicon Mix Proteina de Perla (Pearl Protein) Leave-In
Silicon Mix Conditioner
Silicon Mix Leave-in
Skala Ceramide 3 Conditioner (Brazilian)
Softsheen Carson Breakthru Anti-Breakage - Protecting Foam
Softsheen Carson Breakthru Anti-Breakage - Fortifying Moisturizing Shampoo
Taliah Waajid Enhancing Herbal Conditioner

 

[Sharpened]

As I was searching for more info about hemp seed oil, I found an interesting old thread: Oils that contain ceramides

What I have learnt so far: Hemp Oil in Cosmetics

Hair Care

As Hemp Seed Oil is one of the world's riches sources of EFAs and other nutrients it does assist in strong healthy keratin formation. Keratin is the principal protein of hair (and nails) characterized by the presence of cystine and is responsible for its structural integrity. In addition to improving the structural quality of the hair, Hemp Seed Oil's high lipid content help increase elasticity, volume, comb-ability and shine. Hemp Seed Oil's fatty acid composition and high performance moisturizing emollients make it an ideal ingredient for both dry hair and scalp conditions.

Shampoo

A dominant theme among consumers is a desire for gentler hair care products which contain milder, naturally derived ingredients, but continue to provide high performance. In response, hair care marketers now incorporate conditioners, such as vegetable derived moisturizers and proteins, giving the products a natural appeal. Shampoos and conditioners almost always contain surfactants that are capable of solubilizing and stripping the hair of its normal lipid coating, thus leaving it dry, brittle and lacking luster. Hemp Seed Oil produces a film that smoothes down the cuticle, which in turn reduces the scattering of light, thus improving the luster and feel of the hair. This film tends to keep the resident moisture of the hair because the Amino Acids are small enough to penetrate the cuticle and moisturize from within.

Styling Aids

While the primary purpose of styling aids is to control hair, the overall effect is to improve the appearance. To do so, most styling products such as hair spray, mousse, styling gel, hair cream and pomades contain an increased level of fatty material or conditioning agents. Pomades, for example, are oil systems consisting mainly of mineral oil or petroleum (from 75% to 98%). The addition of Hemp Seed Oil can modify the heavy, greasy feel of these ingredients, detangle, add emolliency and increase viscosity.

Hemp For Your Hair

Hemp Oil For Your Hair

Is it best to use hemp seed internally or externally for your hair? Most nutritionists believe that to really get benefits from a supplement, we need to take them internally. If you are experiencing hair or skin challenges, taking hemp oil as a capsule form or as a food, will offer the best results.

Taken internally, it is thought by many to simulate growth of hair and nails, improve the health of the skin, and can even reduce inflammation from arthritis or related diseases.

While the hemp based shampoos and hair care products can offer the benefit of softer hair and skin, it can not be as supportive as taking the oil internally.

My experience is that it simulates growth of hair and nails, improves the health of the skin, and can reduce inflammation. I like the idea of having one good oil that supplies both omega-3s and GLA, without the need to take more capsules.

Some people experiment with adding hemp seed oil directly to their favorite shampoos and conditioners as a home grown custom recipe. Others will apply the oil directly to their hair as a form of conditioning. Not well suited as a hot oil treatment, the oil can still be applied to hair and left on overnight. It can also be used to oil braids, cornrows or other hair weaves.

If you wish to experiment by adding hemp oil to your hair start slowly with a little oil. If the formula works, you can slowly increase the amount you use.

The advantage that hemp seed offers is that it combines the benefits of omega 3 and omega 6 along with GLA. One product will supply what you need. If you take capsules this can be even more beneficial.

If you wish to take Hemp Seed Oil internally, there is good news. The oil has a distinct, earthy flavor and a light green color. Some people describe the taste of hemp seed oil is nutty. Many people enjoy the flavor.

I tried it as an overnight treatment (1 tbs on dry hair). Either my hair ate it or I did not use enough because I barely felt anything oil. I get the feeling I will have to use more often to see any effect.

 

[Shaley]

Shaley, From my understanding Ceramides and hydrolyzed wheat protein seem to act the same way on the hair.


Both strengthen, attract and help retain moisture, both seem to "bond" to the hair and provide a protective barrier.



Hydrolyzed wheat protein
is a protein from wheat which has been turned partly into water through hydrolysis. Proteins are the nitrogen carrying constituents of living cells. Protein treatments are said to be beneficial to hair and skin. They add gloss, body and luster to hair. Proteins consist of giant chains of amino acids, the building blocks of life. The amino acid chains are joined chemically by a peptide bond. Plant proteins have excellent skin compatibility and deposit a protective film on the skin and hair. The film is smoothing and moisturizing.
Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein repairs damaged hair through covalent bonding. For hair care systems, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein builds body, reduces porosity, and improves shine, luster and smoothness. It is also gold to brown in color and has a strong odor, and has many applications in skin care systems.
Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein is an extremely pure protein produced from natural wheat gluten. It consists of the two subunits gliadin and glutenin, which are capable of repairing damaged hair through covalent linkage. Wheat Protein conditions hair with its moisture retention and film forming properties, which will greatly improve the body, shine, and smoothness of hair. Sulfhydryl groups in wheat proteins improve the quality and functionality of skin and hair care products. Source.


What is Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein?

Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein is a moisturizing and conditioning protein derived from whole wheat.

What does it do for the hair?

It increases the hair's ability to retain moisture and impart shine and gloss to damaged and dull hair. Due to its low molecular weight, it easily penetrates the hair shaft. Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein attracts and retains moisture, builds body, reduces porosity, improves hair manageability, improves luster and smoothness.
Source.




According to hair-science.com, ceramides play a major role in keeping the cuticle layer in place. In fact, the researchers went on to examine strands of damaged hair only to find that these stands were lacking in ceramides. When ceramide stores are depleted, the hair is prone to dryness, brittleness, and breakage. Ceramides are also crucial because of the role they play in providing a protective barrier that helps keep moisture levels where they should be. I'm also excited about the impact of ceramides in increasing elasticity of the hair. Think about it, without the ceramide "glue" helping to keep the cuticle layers in place, the risk for breakage only increases. Studies show that hair which has been treated with ceramide containing conditioners, showed in increase in tensile strength along with protection of the hair against both UV damage and chemical processes. By the way, ceramines are lipids, not proteins. Which means ceramides still provide the hair with strength and elasticity without the hardness side effect of some proteins. For some of us, that's fantastic news!
Source.

Thanks! I think I have a few products with hydrolyzed wheat protein...

 

[chelleypie810]

^^so hydrolized wheat protein also counts???!! Cuz I can add my hair one and wen to the list also =)

 

[NJoy]

Ok, I'm in!

The only products that I use that are on the list is WGO and Silicon Mix.

I use WGO as a daily Leave in and also mix it in my deep conditioner concoction at least once a week.

I also use Silicon Mix at least once a week to deep condition. When I do, I mix it with honey, WGO and CO. So, WGO is in either DC mix.

Those of you that are using WGO as a leave in, how do you mask the smell?

I seal it in with Elasta QP Olive Oil/Mango Butter and then Hawaiian Silky 14/1. The smell is masked.

 

[Sondice]

Ok Im in! The ceramids thing has def intrigued me, and an excuse to buy new products is always a plus! lol

Products:

What products/oils will you use?Aubrey Organics Honeysuckle Rose Conditioner (DC), Nexxus Aloe Rid Shampoo, Softsheen Carson Optimum Care Ultimate Leave In Strengthener
What ceramide is in your product? Aubrey Organics: Wheat Germ Oil, Nexxus Aloe Rid: Ceramide 3, SoftSheen Carson Optimum Leave In: 2-oleamido-1,3-octadecanediol
What position is the ceramide in the ingredient line? (EXAMPLE: 3rd ingredient or 8th ingredient). AO: 4th, Nexxus: 13th out of 28, Softsheen carson: waaaaay @ the botton 26th out of 29
How often will you use it? The DC every week, Aloe Rid is a clarifying poo, so only 3-4 x a year(b4 I relax), the leave in prob every day to every other day
What is your application method? Spray, as a shampoo, or just slather on to DC
Will you deep condition with ceramides? Yes

My starting pic...

Also later I'll prob add either the Soft Sheen Carson Optimum Care shampoo since it has ceramides too.

 

[cutenss]

I did not realize that my beloved WEN has these hydrolyzed proteins. My CFCG has wheat amino acids. It is low on the list, but I love it. So moisturizing to my hair. I also just bought a bottle of the Skala G3 ceramides conditioner. I will get WGO, if not today, then at the end of my work week.

 

[grow]

Ok, I'm in!

The only products that I use that are on the list is WGO and Silicon Mix.

I use WGO as a daily Leave in and also mix it in my deep conditioner concoction at least once a week.

I also use Silicon Mix at least once a week to deep condition. When I do, I mix it with honey, WGO and CO. So, WGO is in either DC mix.




I seal it in with Elasta QP Olive Oil/Mango Butter and then Hawaiian Silky 14/1. The smell is masked.

i'm glad you dicided to join us you 2 INCHES IN A SINGLE MONTH GROWIN' MOMMA! CHIME IN GIRLFREIND!

 

[grow]

^^so hydrolized wheat protein also counts???!! Cuz I can add my hair one and wen to the list also =)

VERY GOOD QUESTION, CHELLEYPIE!

my hair loves hydrolized wheat protein, so if that's also a ceramide, i can more easily add this important element to my reggie.

btw, how are those wen products working out? i've heard alot about them but never tried them.

 

[grow]

HI LADIES! something JUST occured to me:

WHY NOT USE CERAMIDES IN THE TOUCH-UP/ PERM PROCESS???!!!

have any of you done this before? if so, please post details!

previously, for my texlax, i put some sweet almond oil directly in my perm.

then, AFTER my perm and BEFORE my neutralizing shampoo, i did a mid-perm protein treatment (just for about 3-5 min after having rinsed the perm out completely) with mostly proteins (Hydrolized Wheat Protein, Amino Acids, Keratin Protein, Silk Protein, Ors Replenishing Pak, Jbco, Evoo, Kiwi Seed Oil) and some moisturizers/oils.

then after my post perm post neutralizing shampoo, i put some sweet almond oil in my moisturizing conditioner.

now i'm thinking, i could have substituted a ceramide oil everywhere i had previously used sweet almond oil. as well as used more specific conditioners containing ceramides.

also, what do you ladies think about ceramides with proteins in the mid perm process?

would they just help the proteins to "stick" in the freshly permed hair?
or hinder the efficiency of the protein?

Thanks for your ideas on this!

 

[Reecie]

SORRY LADIES. IN DOING RESEARCH... HYDROLIZED WHEAT PROTEIN IS NOT A CERAMIDE. CERAMIDES ARE NOT PROTEIN AND THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT COMPONENTS.

I didn't know this had ceramides! Which ingredient? I have this product, too! Please do tell!

Thanks! I think I have a few products with hydrolyzed wheat protein...

^^so hydrolized wheat protein also counts???!! Cuz I can add my hair one and wen to the list also =)

VERY GOOD QUESTION, CHELLEYPIE!

my hair loves hydrolized wheat protein, so if that's also a ceramide, i can more easily add this important element to my reggie.

btw, how are those wen products working out? i've heard alot about them but never tried them.

HI LADIES! something JUST occured to me:

WHY NOT USE CERAMIDES IN THE TOUCH-UP/ PERM PROCESS???!!!

have any of you done this before? if so, please post details!

previously, for my texlax, i put some sweet almond oil directly in my perm.

then, AFTER my perm and BEFORE my neutralizing shampoo, i did a mid-perm protein treatment (just for about 3-5 min after having rinsed the perm out completely) with mostly proteins (Hydrolized Wheat Protein, Amino Acids, Keratin Protein, Silk Protein, Ors Replenishing Pak, Jbco, Evoo, Kiwi Seed Oil) and some moisturizers/oils.

then after my post perm post neutralizing shampoo, i put some sweet almond oil in my moisturizing conditioner.

now i'm thinking, i could have substituted a ceramide oil everywhere i had previously used sweet almond oil. as well as used more specific conditioners containing ceramides.

also, what do you ladies think about ceramides with proteins in the mid perm process?

would they just help the proteins to "stick" in the freshly permed hair?
or hinder the efficiency of the protein?

Thanks for your ideas on this!

SORRY LADIES. IN DOING RESEARCH... HYDROLIZED WHEAT PROTEIN IS NOT A CERAMIDE. CERAMIDES ARE NOT PROTEIN AND THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT COMPONENTS.

 

[sqzbly1908]

HI LADIES! something JUST occured to me:

WHY NOT USE CERAMIDES IN THE TOUCH-UP/ PERM PROCESS???!!!

have any of you done this before? if so, please post details!

previously, for my texlax, i put some sweet almond oil directly in my perm.

then, AFTER my perm and BEFORE my neutralizing shampoo, i did a mid-perm protein treatment (just for about 3-5 min after having rinsed the perm out completely) with mostly proteins (Hydrolized Wheat Protein, Amino Acids, Keratin Protein, Silk Protein, Ors Replenishing Pak, Jbco, Evoo, Kiwi Seed Oil) and some moisturizers/oils.

then after my post perm post neutralizing shampoo, i put some sweet almond oil in my moisturizing conditioner.

now i'm thinking, i could have substituted a ceramide oil everywhere i had previously used sweet almond oil. as well as used more specific conditioners containing ceramides.

also, what do you ladies think about ceramides with proteins in the mid perm process?

would they just help the proteins to "stick" in the freshly permed hair?
or hinder the efficiency of the protein?

Thanks for your ideas on this!

Hi Grow!...

I think many of us were already doing it without realizing this (i.e. Joico K-Pak/Aphogee 2 minute as a mid step) I relaxed this weekend and I put Sunflower Oil (along with my other proteins) in my relaxer and I followed up with Redken Deep Fuel as my midstep...Redken Deep Fuel will be my follow up from now on!

Heavy proteins have no effect on my freshly relaxed hair as I have used Emergencee, various reconstructors for my mid-step conditioning. If anything it has enhanced my hair - I have also used moisturizing DCs as well...just whatever I am in the mood for...

 

[taz007]

HI LADIES! something JUST occured to me:

WHY NOT USE CERAMIDES IN THE TOUCH-UP/ PERM PROCESS???!!!

have any of you done this before? if so, please post details!

I do! I either put a vial of Hydratherapie or Fortetherapie and Walnut oil into my relaxer and then I use Mizani PerpHecting cream mixed with Fortetherapie as a mid-step.

This is the BEST thing that I have ever done to my hair! I almost have no breakage now.

 

[grow]

Hi Grow!...

I think many of us were already doing it without realizing this (i.e. Joico K-Pak/Aphogee 2 minute as a mid step) I relaxed this weekend and I put Sunflower Oil (along with my other proteins) in my relaxer and I followed up with Redken Deep Fuel as my midstep...Redken Deep Fuel will be my follow up from now.

Heavy proteins have no effect on my freshly relaxed hair as I have used Emergencee, various reconstructors for my mid-step conditioning. If anything it has enhanced my hair - I have also used moisturizing DCs as well...just whatever I am in the mood for...

Hi Sqzbly1908!
i really appreciate your response because it took me so much courage just to put some sweet almond oil IN my perm and i've wanted to try putting protein directly in my perm, too!
i'm glad you've had success with it!

although i must say, with all that i've been reading about ceramides lately, i think even THOSE steps (oil in the perm and the midstep treatment) just might benifit our hair greatly, if we incorporate ceramides in there as well, because of what ceramides do to bond the protein.

not meaning to hijack your thread, Reecie, i'll pm you, Sqzbly about the proteins you used IN your perm and i'll rephrase my question, given the newest news:

Ladies: can ceramides (THANKS REECIE FOR CLEARING UP THE HYDROLIZED PROTEIN MISUNDERSTANDING...this stuff is confusing, tho) actually HELP the perm process, too?erplexed

Are there any of you who have used CERAMIDES in your perm and midperm ( protein ) treatment?

it seems logical that if ceramides help bond protein, they should be in there with the midstep too, but i'd prefer to hear the voices of experience please.

again, my appologies for the off the topic discussion (ok, i'm a newbie still).....i didn't intend to hijack the thread, lol, it's just that when i was thinking about hydrolized wheat protein as possibly being a ceramide, it led me to the perm/ceramides ideas.

since i will be perming soon, if there ARE any ideas that ceramides can help, i'd prefer to know that preferably before i perm.

hhj ladies!

 

[chelleypie810]

WEN has been really good but I will just use hair one after I run out b/c WEN is not in the budget right now.

 

[LaidBak]

As I was reading, I was getting concerned that ceramides were being confused with protein. Glad that was cleared up and I'm IN!

What products/oils will you use? I use unrefined wheat germ oil.
[ I abbreviate it WhGO though because I also use WGO--Wild Growth Oil]
Thanks to IDareTsHair for putting me up on this.


How often will you use it? Daily or as needed
What is your application method? I seal ends as needed with WhGO/JBCO/scented oil mix.
Will you deep condition with ceramides? I create an almost 50/50 mix of conditioner and oil when I DC. My oils include WhGO, EVOO and JBCO.

I am on a low manipulation, back-to-basics regimen. I'm recovering from a setback and I'm hoping ceramides with give my hair the strength it always lacked.

 

[flowinlocks]

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[LaidBak]

Just did a hot oil steamer treatment with a WhGO/JBCO mix. I sat for about ten minutes.