OMG! HAS ANYONE SEEN THIS TUTORIAL?!

[DarkAngell]

I don't know if this was posted before but it's making me cringe.

I was searching for flat iron tutorials and came across this one. She flat irons her hair WET and it's just sizzzzzling like bacon! & i dont think she's using a wet to dry iron either. I could be wrong....

YouTube - Kyoseki Flat Iron Demo Pt 2

ETA: I just saw the 1st video and i think it might be a wet to dry. Should it really sound like that?? I looked up this flat iron and it's gotten verrrry bad reviews. One person said her child's hair burned right off?!!!

NOTE: ..This is not actually the flat iron i was looking up. I was looking up sedu tutorials and this one popped up so i figured i'd see what this iron was about.....

 

[jahzyira]

she said "ohhhh thats hot" and just kept pressing and pressing and pressing This has to be a joke!!! But im tryin to fig out how does she still have hair on her head?????????

 

[Irresistible]

Its like a hot pan and putting water in it, it steams

Ive done wet-to-dry- presses for years

it aint doin nothin bad to the hair


just the noise of heat hitting water

 

[Qt girl]

Its like a hot pan and putting water in it, it steams

Ive done wet-to-dry- presses for years

it aint doin nothin bad to the hair


just the noise of heat hitting water

I was just gonna ask, isn't the sizzle just evaporating water? I would think that wet to dry flat ironing would be fine, sometimes better than blowdrying first since you're only using the flat iron and not the additional heat. Plus, most of the heat would go into evaporating the water on top of your hair instead of the water inside the hair shaft.

 

[Irresistible]

I was just gonna ask, isn't the sizzle just evaporating water? I would think that wet to dry flat ironing would be fine, sometimes better than blowdrying first since you're only using the flat iron and not the additional heat. Plus, most of the heat would go into evaporating the water on top of your hair instead of the water inside the hair shaft.

Exactly ,there is never a chance for the water to boil, its too much of a mixture of air, heat and water, it cools off instantly

This is really alot less stress on the hair than blow drying and 'for me' keeps way more moisture in myhair , again, for me its much easier to work with my wet hair rather than fully dry, the blow dryer can take out so much more moisture than this method. now if she had thicker/longer hair maybe it wouldnt be so scrutinized. But this is definintley not an unhealthy way to straighten

so I will add my pic, to show it truly does no harm

This is just the first layer (Nape)done , freshly wet, I do a first press to dry, then a second press to straighten

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Ive done this for years and although the 'sizzle' sounds scary , well not to me , it really is causing no damage to the hair, bubble hair IMO is a total myth, if it was really 'burning' the hair, it would then burn off, but its just the 'noise' of water hitting heat

eta . I am positive her hair will be healthier in the long run doing any kind of heat straightening this way-in other words, this way she will eventually gain thicker/longer hair than by doing it any other way, provided heat styling in the past caused any breaking/thinning etc. This is the best way to keep moisture in, of course its best to not use heat at all-but thats another thread/another dayLOL

 

[Qt girl]

Exactly ,there is never a chance for the water to boil, its too much of a mixture of air, heat and water, it cools off instantly

This is really alot less stress on the hair than blow drying and 'for me' keeps way more moisture in myhair , again, for me its much easier to work with my wet hair rather than fully dry, the blow dryer can take out so much more moisture than this method. now if she had thicker/longer hair maybe it wouldnt be so scrutinized. But this is definintley not an unhealthy way to straighten

so I will add my pic, to show it truly does no harm

This is just the first layer (Nape)done , freshly wet, I do a first press to dry, then a second press to straighten


Ive done this for years and although the 'sizzle' sounds scary , well not to me , it really is causing no damage to the hair, bubble hair IMO is a total myth, if it was really 'burning' the hair, it would then burn off, but its just the 'noise' of water hitting heat

Your hair is gorgeous btw.

I can understand how flat ironing at least damp might be easier to handle than fully dry, ESPECIALLY natural hair. Thanks for posting your experience!

 

[anon123]

I don't know much about using hot appliances on wet hair, but I read this some time ago. It starts at the bottom with "bubble hair" and you have to click "next page" to finish the section.
http://www.pg.com/science/haircare/hair_twh_97.htm

 

[Irresistible]

wow she got 'reamed' hard in the comments

 

[Christina Dior]

erplexeddamn

 

[Irresistible]

Your hair is gorgeous btw.

I can understand how flat ironing at least damp might be easier to handle than fully dry, ESPECIALLY natural hair. Thanks for posting your
experience!

Thank you girl

Yup , that bolded part is true! my hair is a monster to straighten, anything that makes is easier I'm gonna do

but wow I need to do a youtube, on this , because SOOOO many dont know this isnt bad because it sizzles, its like you can take the hottest pan and put water in it and it INSTANTLY cools it off, but it steams while it cools, thats all the noise is

I wonder if I would get reamed like that when these are the end results?


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sizzle sizzle ,but my hair is smooth and full of moisture still. Thats why they make wet to dry flat Irons now-and the maxiglide w/ steam-it works for keeping moisture

she wasnt wrong when she said it locks moisture in

 

[~~HoneyComb~~]

It just sounds like the hair is being tormented.

 

[Nonie]

I too have always pressed my hair like this since back in high school when I saw it done this way and saw how smooth the end result was. Prior to doing it this way, my hair would end up looking like I just blow dried it. I found out Iris did it that way too a few years ago and felt at ease about my method coz...I mean, look at her hair! Finding wet-to-dry flat irons existed also assured me that I wasn't crazy to do it this way. (Only I must confess that the next time I press my hair, I'll probably do things a little differently: You see, in the past, for the initial press, I have always done it w/o products. The result would be similar to a blow dry:

Then I'd section my hair again and apply products and run the flat iron through each section again to get a smooth finish:

Here's another look at wet-to-dry flat ironing results. I had just CW'd this section and then pressed w/o products (I promise I'll apply something to my damp hair next time.... )

 

[Irresistible]

I too have always pressed my hair like this since back in high school when I saw it done this way and saw how smooth the end result was. Prior to doing it this way, my hair would end up looking like I just blow dried it. I found out Iris did it that way too a few years ago and felt at ease about my method coz...I mean, look at her hair! Finding wet-to-dry flat irons existed also assured me that I wasn't crazy to do it this way. (Only I must confess that the next time I press my hair, I'll probably do things a little differently: You see, in the past, for the initial press, I have always done it w/o products. The result would be similar to a blow dry:

Then I'd section my hair again and apply products and run the flat iron through each section again to get a smooth finish:

Here's another look at wet-to-dry flat ironing results. I had just CW'd this section and then pressed w/o products (I promise I'll apply something to my damp hair next time.... )

your right Nonie the first press or 'run through, gives the same results as a good blow dry, only more moisture is still left behind

 

[butterfly_wings]

Really, I didn't think it would be healthy, do you think flat ironing relaxed hair wet/damp would be ok?

 

[Irresistible]

Really, I didn't think it would be healthy, do you think flat ironing relaxed hair wet/damp would be ok?

Geesh thats a question I never really thought of, Ive just been touting the benefits of the moisture, but I'm not sure I can answer that with any real first hand experience to back it up for sureerplexed

 

[Irresistible]

I would just say if your relaxed and blow dry every single time this might be 'easier' on your hair and provide more moisture being locked in rather than blow drying it all out, but if you air dry every single time, there would be no point in doing this I dont think

now that I think about it, always the rule, the less heat the better

for me, it would take FAR more heat, and also 'intense' heat to get my hair straight after I let it dry, this is actually less heat for me this way, and while wet , the hair is actually not even getting direct heat, the water is a like a buffer, to cool it down right away, more heat comes from the second press/run through

 

[butterfly_wings]

Thanks, I might try it on a samll section for a while, and if there is no breakage I'll do my whole head, I air dry 80% of the time

 

[*Happily Me*]

I wouldn't try that. Isn't that boiling the hair?

 

[Nonie]

Really, I didn't think it would be healthy, do you think flat ironing relaxed hair wet/damp would be ok?

Before I knew anything about hair, when I had relaxed hair, I would apply John Frieda's serum to my wet hair and run my curling iron down the length of my hair w/ only serum applied (I didn't have a flat iron) shaping it into a bob, and the result would be bouncy hair. Not sure how much damage I caused--and I still don't know coz I have very little knowledge on caring for relaxed hair since I joined this forum after going natural and haven't been in class during relaxed hair discussion--but I do know that it is the only way I'd get a swinging bob. I only ever did it on wet hair w/ serum though, and the results were smooth and shiny hair.

 

[Irresistible]

I wouldn't try that. Isn't that boiling the hair?

Nah girl it really doesnt boil, its too wet, too cold, too much air, the water actually cools the heat faster than the heat boils the water,

I dont know about how she did it, because she did say'it got hot' my hair doesnt get hot like that during that first press, the water is too busy cooling off the hair and comb quickly

 

[Nonie]

I wouldn't try that. Isn't that boiling the hair?

I used to wonder about that, but I haven't found articles supporting that yet; only forum discussions seem to suspect that. Some articles even say it's safer and that moisture gets sealed in, although that might be a marketing ploy. (But you do have to wonder why my hair felt nicer/softer when I did it that way and felt really dry and stiff when I flat ironed dry hair.)

Here are some articles on them, but none really say if flat-ironing wet-to-dry has any advantage over other methods besides reducing the amount of time your hair is exposed to heat:

http://searchwarp.com/swa327031.htm

http://ezinearticles.com/?What-Is-The-Best-Wet-To-Dry-Flat-Iron?&id=537555

 

[Amari]

This sounds good,I really want to try it but my first mind is telling me to pass cuz I just can't picture this.I'm 4b relaxed and while I think this is good for some hair types I feel this won't be good for my hair I've come too far to experiment w/ this and have a major set back.Iris if I had your hair I would be on it though

 

[Qt girl]

I don't know much about using hot appliances on wet hair, but I read this some time ago. It starts at the bottom with "bubble hair" and you have to click "next page" to finish the section.
http://www.pg.com/science/haircare/hair_twh_97.htm

I went and read the site you posted, but it does not actually tell what's causing the bubble hair. It just uses anecdotal evidence and shows what bubble hair actually is, so I went and looked at some other information on bubble hair, so I found this NCBI/NIH experiment which tried to pinpoint a cause of bubble hair:

BACKGROUND: Bubble hair is an acquired hair shaft deformity characterized by bubble-like areas in the hair shaft seen with light microscopy and corresponding cavitary defects with scanning electron microscopy. OBJECTIVE: Our purpose was to report the fourth case of bubble hair, to demonstrate a cause, and to determine whether the cavities contain gas or liquid. METHODS: Light and scanning electron microscopy were performed. The patient's hair dryer was examined. We applied heat to normal hair of the patient and that of 16 human volunteers. Approximate temperatures for bubble formation were measured. The bubble contents were investigated by applying aqueous and nonaqueous liquids to affected hairs. RESULTS: No person's hair failed to develop bubbles when subjected to sufficient heat. The cause of bubble hair in the patient was an overheating hair dryer. The cavitations contained a gas. CONCLUSION: Bubble hair is a reproducible hair shaft defect caused by heat. The use of overheating hair dryers, or any other hair care equipment that overheats, should be avoided.

So from this case study I believe that bubble hair is caused by overheating of the hair.

Now, when flat ironing wet hair, your hair is covered in water that evaporates once the heat of the flat iron is applied. The heat energy from the flat iron goes into evaporating the water on the outside of the hair shaft FIRST. The amount of energy it takes to evaporate that water takes away from the amount of heat your actual hair shaft experiences.

So, unless the heat of your flat iron is MUCH higher than you usually use on dry hair, it shouldn't be more damaging than the use of the flat iron on dry hair. It should actually be a cooler experience for your hair shaft. Iris said herself that her hair never gets really hot while flat ironing wet. And Nonie also showed how the results of the first pass were much like a blow dry (hence, the flat iron evaporated the water).

In conclusion, I believe that if your hair gets bubble hair from wet flat ironing, it is because your flat iron is too hot, NOT because your hair is wet.

I wouldn't try that. Isn't that boiling the hair?

Water does not necessarily have to boil to evaporate and even if it does, the boiling point of water is lower than the heat of the flat iron (100 degrees Celsius, 212 degrees Fahrenheit). Once the water's temperature has reached 212, it becomes water vapor and floats away from your hair (this is all assuming you haven't dissolved anything in the water such as salt). So the water that actually touches your hair is never hotter than 212 degrees and the heat from the iron that actually reaches your hair is around 212 degrees COOLER than the heat setting on your iron.

I believe that as long as you are using the flat iron at the same temperature that you would use on DRY hair, your hair SHOULD be fine.

...oh and that's just my opinion, heat is heat. You should always be careful using it anyway.

 

[victorious]

This sounds good,I really want to try it but my first mind is telling me to pass cuz I just can't picture this.I'm 4b relaxed and while I think this is good for some hair types I feel this won't be good for my hair I've come too far to experiment w/ this and have a major set back.Iris if I had your hair I would be on it though

ITA.

I bought a wet to dry flat iron months ago thinking it might be good for drying after a quickie wash. I was too scared to even take it out the package on second thought, so I returned it the next day.

 

[Qt girl]

ITA.

I bought a wet to dry flat iron months ago thinking it might be good for drying after a quickie wash. I was too scared to even take it out the package on second thought, so I returned it the next day.

You can use any Tourmaline iron as a wet to dry. This girl's stylist used an FHI iron to do hers. I think the wet to dry flat irons are a marketing ploy.

 

[Divine_Order]

I read about something similar on the growafrohairlong website. Robyn says that it's good to spray the ends of your hair with ice cold water and then curl to seal in moisture. Which would lead to les breakage.

I've just never tried it...and after hearing all that sizzling in that video...I probably still won't. Just a mental thing I will have to get over (like I'm cooking my hair) BUT in the end of her vid, her hair did seem to have a nice sheen to it.

 

[anon123]

I went and read the site you posted, but it does not actually tell what's causing the bubble hair. It just uses anecdotal evidence and shows what bubble hair actually is, so I went and looked at some other information on bubble hair, so I found this NCBI/NIH experiment which tried to pinpoint a cause of bubble hair:


So from this case study I believe that bubble hair is caused by overheating of the hair.

That is an interesting abstract. I can see how this makes sense. I might actually read it since I'm interested to know what they meant by "fourth case". But then again, maybe not.

 

[anon123]

You can use any Tourmaline iron as a wet to dry. This girl's stylist used an FHI iron to do hers. I think the wet to dry flat irons are a marketing ploy.

Why does it have to be a tourmaline one?

 

[BostonMaria]

OMG I had to stop watching! I cringed when I heard the sizzling noises.

 

[Irresistible]

This sounds good,I really want to try it but my first mind is telling me to pass cuz I just can't picture this.I'm 4b relaxed and while I think this is good for some hair types I feel this won't be good for my hair I've come too far to experiment w/ this and have a major set back.Iris if I had your hair I would be on it though

I hear you on playing it safe

I truly feel its not a hair type thing, because this isnt something that would be more or less damaging to a certain hair type, its just a way of drying that holds moisture in more than blow drying, the water is steadily cooling the heat, so really its like using a 'warm' comb to dry, much gentler process than blow drying

I cant speak on already weak damaged hair though, because any extra manipulation could be bad in that case, I just dont know about that

But the process itself isnt damaging IMO

I respect anyone too afraid or concerned to try it though, I would probably feel the same had I myself not been doing this for years now

it actualy to me more of an 'evaporation' process for drying like QT Girl is saying, and the heat gives mild straightening then the moisture is locked in while doing it