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Okay I just cannot believe that with all the resources out here like the LOVELY LHCF that women are still jacking up their babies head. Some people will Sell Punanny to keep the Cable bill on. Then get you some internet or go to the Library for Goodness sakes if you don't have a computer at home.

Oh those babies make me wanna cry

I have recommended this site to so many people and they don't even bother reading it. You cannot change people who dont' want to be changed.
 
I couldn't stand the black mother that thinks black women with natural hair are low rent, low class people. Instead of worrying about having a child with good hair, she needs to put the child and her on a diet.
 
It is not just about the parents, it is about society. My daughter has fabulous natural hair but occasionally people pick on her in school and it is like the words of her peers carry more weight then mine.

I have seen little girls who were raised in afrocentric households where all the pics on the walls had afros, TV was limited, the kids were in aftrocentric groups, and the kids still had issues with their hair. The small amount of outside contact they had still affected them.

Society has to shift as a whole.

I TOTALLY agree with this (I was raised afrocentric yet still teased). I didn't see the show, but it sounds like a novel, provocative concept. I don't even think Oprah tried it back when her show was sensationalistic. Pretty clever! I agree with another point you posted elsewhere that the negative sentiments expressed on that show are likely WELL reflected in the rank and file masses of the black community...Sigh.

It's SO complicated b/c really, the only way to combat this whole issue is to break down both race AND gender. This is definitely an issue that demonstrates the tensions of being both a racial minority AND a woman.

Point blank. The gender issue likely goes WAYYY back to since our species started living as settled agriculturalists (starting 10,000 years ago). Starting at least since then, there have been human societies that have had the opportunity to accumulate more socially valued possessions/wealth than others. Accordingly, there have also been folks who have been prepared to try to rob them of that horded wealth by any means necessary. THAT phenomenon, IMO, started the downward spiral of women's status. Because THAT, IMO, is the root of organized warfare, and, given pregnancy and/or the desire to survive/make peace for the sake of one's children, women were/are less prone to be the ones doing the fighting. In war-like societies, those who do not/can not actively fight/stand up for themselves are basically nobodies. They're relegated to the status of helpless children...Thus, on some level, women and children were relegated to being just additional types of "possessions" to be guarded and cared for by "warriors". As possessions, the "best looking" women were seen to reflect the status of the men who "owned" them (like new cars). Because we are still living in socieities in which possessions mean status (in fact, this tradition is probably even MORE intense now), there is ENORMOUS pressure on women to be "beautiful". So much so, that most women have THOROUGHLY internalized it and can think of no other way to legitimately be (ie unlike our male counterparts, we're socialized to think that to be "pretty" is to be loved)...So that's there.

THEN there's our obvious racial conundrum. Our hair type was adapted to a UNIQUE situation involving the survival of the ENTIRE human lineage under the intense UV of the African sunlight (see the 'Natural Living' forum on this board. Search there under 'Why is our hair like this?'). The ancestors of Whites/Asians originally had African hair too. EVERYONE did! ALL of humanity is ultimately from Africa. Their hair changed to suit the northern climates that they migrated to (see explanation on 'Natural Living'). So this idea that our hair is OBJECTIVELY ugly or inferior is contrived and, obviously, a remnant of racism. Basically, white folks had to vilify us in order to justify their cruelty to their "Christian" God (ie they couldn't sleep at night knowing deep down that Jesus would've likely slapped the sh*t out of them for their behavior). So it's all in how u look at it. If you view things from this angle, OUR hair type preserved the integrity of the human lineage (ie without it, NONE of us would've survived). THEIR hair types preserved their individual sub-branches (without which humanity would STILL have existed). So, presuming that our species' survival as a whole is most important, it is arguable that OUR hair was more significant in the scheme of things....

Whew...I say all of that to say that this issue speaks to an inherent tension that, even knowing the above, I myself feel and empathize with. On the one hand, I realize that FIRST of all, it is degrading to be judged so much by my looks as a women. On the other hand, I fear that, if women don't do something artistic with their appearance, NOBODY will, and life will be bland and boring (alternatively though, if men step up their metrosexuality a bit, and women tone down their appearance obsession, there might be a healthy medium).

Also, racially speaking, on the one hand I understand that the long straight hair of white women was originally valued in Europe (prior to their exploration of the rest of the world) basically because, in ancient Europe, that's, by far, the main hair type that existed. Thus these women (as non-warriors) could more conveniently sport extravagantly long hair that could thereby show off the wealth and status of their men. Fast forward and transpose that onto an American political climate in which white (male) racism needed to be justified, and the contrast between white women's hair (ie white men's status) and that of black women (ie black men's status) can be seen as an OBVIOUS thing to highlight to further sinister political aims.....YET AND STILL, a part of me REALLY wants to prove that I can grow my loose, natural hair LONG (hence why I'm here of course :-)....

Sigh...:wallbash:
 
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Anyone got a link for us non-USers that didn't get to watch the show?

I hope someone put it on YT
 
I honestly do not see what the purpose of this show is, and what message it is sending when today Tyra is in braids (have no idea what the significance is), and tomorrow she will be decked out in her lacefront again and never wore her natural hair not even once. What hypocrisy. I am truly perplexed. I do believe, deep inside, Tyra is one of those little girls.

no...not even deep inside..:nono:
it's right out there...
she has serious issues with hair
and with length

if a woman on ANTM has long hair..chances are
it's going to be cut off to a boy's

I HATED that show.
it was so biased.and stupid.
and DOES not reflect a fair spectrum of black American hair today
the one girl with long natural hair.. that Tyra found
was ashamed of it
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH please


Where were the all commercial clips that now show 21rst century natural girls?
Where all the magazine covers of black businesswomen with well groomed natural hair?
Where were the natural girls living thier lives with LONG THICK BEAUTFUL HAIR?

Yes it was sad..seeing those children but the offender was TYRA
making them rating scapegoats...cheesy entertainment..
Where all the proud little black girls who revel and LOVE in their hair?
no matter what the texture or length?
no matter what anyone says? who would hate chemicals in their hair?


Tyra sitting there... being the FIRST to throw stones
in that TV KANGAROO COURT
she is DESPICABLE

apart from age....and econmics....and color of the wig being platinum....
the ONLY difference between her and that little girl with blonde wig...
is that Tyra has over a hundred of them and they are much more expensive
and have their own stylists..

suddenly... WEARING CORNROWS.....:lachen:
for what? the second time in her life? and on tv?
phony as can be......

with all exposure she has... as some said she has the power
to really educate..but she is as vapid as her blonde wigs

well..actually....
the wigs have a slight edge:lachen:
 
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It is so sad with the ignorance in our community--I grew up with a significant relative who still makes dumb *** comments about whether is this girl mixed with Spanish/White or another race--which supposedly why their hair is this way. It makes me enraged prior to my journey and it is sad because these mothers are promoting self-hatred.
 
omg my aunt should've been on that show. she babysits a 1 yr old boy, and he has loose, wavy hair. he is supposed to be getting a haircut, but she's mad and doesn't want him to get one because he has 'good hair' (her words). she said he doesn't need his hair cut because its pretty, and they should wait to see if its gonna keep growing like that or if its gonna turn bad (smh). thats dumb as hell. so according to her, people that don't have pretty hair are the only ones that need hair cuts? ugh.
 
I haven't read all 11 pages yet. But ya'll know I'm all about writing Tyra, so here is what I wrote after I watched the show:
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Hello Tyra.

I finally watched the episode on Good Hair. I think the show did a good job of scratching the surface on African American hair issues. I only hope that was your intent...to scratch the surface. If that was not your intent, then I believe the show merely educated non-blacks on our hair issues. Because WE were already aware of what was said.

Because the show only addressed our negative perception and self hate of our hair, you now need to go deeper. Go deeper by telling us something that we don't know. Go deeper by teaching African American women how to care for their hair. For example, the women that relaxed her daughters hair at 3 said her daughter cries when she combs her hair. Well, that's because she combed from root to tip, rather than starting at the ends and working her way up. Anyone would cry if their hair is not being combed right!!

We need to make sure our women understand that we do not NEED weaves and lace fronts. We can grow our hair to those lengths. We don't need to relax our hair as soon as new growth shows. We need to stretch our relaxers to be sure the chemical is not overlapping and further damage our hair. We don't need to use heat on a regular basis IN ADDITION TO chemicals.

Get on the web. There are PLENTY of resources out there for growing black hair long. Use Diane Da Costa (Textured Tresses) and T'Keyah Crystal Keymah (Natural Woman/Natural Hair) as references. They both have written two wonderful books on caring for natural and/or black hair. And btw, afros, locs, and cornrows are not the ONLY style for natural African American hair.

And Tyra, if you want to help young girls be proud of their own hair, it might help for you to explain to them why YOUR hair is not good enough to be worn out. Tell them WHY you wear lace fronts all of the time, and how it affects you and your hair. Don't just proudly wear cornrows when you do a black hair show and expect ladies to believe that you're actually PROUD of your hair.

Please take this show further, Tyra. Do let us down on this one.
 
I haven't read all 11 pages yet. But ya'll know I'm all about writing Tyra, so here is what I wrote after I watched the show:
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Hello Tyra.

I finally watched the episode on Good Hair. I think the show did a good job of scratching the surface on African American hair issues. I only hope that was your intent...to scratch the surface. If that was not your intent, then I believe the show merely educated non-blacks on our hair issues. Because WE were already aware of what was said.

Because the show only addressed our negative perception and self hate of our hair, you now need to go deeper. Go deeper by telling us something that we don't know. Go deeper by teaching African American women how to care for their hair. For example, the women that relaxed her daughters hair at 3 said her daughter cries when she combs her hair. Well, that's because she combed from root to tip, rather than starting at the ends and working her way up. Anyone would cry if their hair is not being combed right!!

We need to make sure our women understand that we do not NEED weaves and lace fronts. We can grow our hair to those lengths. We don't need to relax our hair as soon as new growth shows. We need to stretch our relaxers to be sure the chemical is not overlapping and further damage our hair. We don't need to use heat on a regular basis IN ADDITION TO chemicals.

Get on the web. There are PLENTY of resources out there for growing black hair long. Use Diane Da Costa (Textured Tresses) and T'Keyah Crystal Keymah (Natural Woman/Natural Hair) as references. They both have written two wonderful books on caring for natural and/or black hair. And btw, afros, locs, and cornrows are not the ONLY style for natural African American hair.

And Tyra, if you want to help young girls be proud of their own hair, it might help for you to explain to them why YOUR hair is not good enough to be worn out. Tell them WHY you wear lace fronts all of the time, and how it affects you and your hair. Don't just proudly wear cornrows when you do a black hair show and expect ladies to believe that you're actually PROUD of your hair.

Please take this show further, Tyra. Do let us down on this one.

The bolded is what I said in my letter to her. I think that a MAJOR missing part of the show was the non-discussion about proper hair care. We cringed when we saw that mom relaxing her three-year old's hair. Even Tyra expressed her disapproval about it. However, she offered the woman no hair-care solution, so I'm sure that the mother will continue to relax her daughter's hair.
 
I haven't read all 11 pages yet. But ya'll know I'm all about writing Tyra, so here is what I wrote after I watched the show:
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it might help for you to explain to them why YOUR hair is not good enough to be worn out. Tell them WHY you wear lace fronts all of the time, and how it affects you and your hair. Don't just proudly wear cornrows when you do a black hair show and expect ladies to believe that you're actually PROUD of your hair.



ooohhhh I am scared of you!!! :boxing:YEAAHH WHY DON'T YOU TYRA!? ... If she doesn't get it after that letter...I don't know what to tell you.


 
I haven't read all 11 pages yet. But ya'll know I'm all about writing Tyra, so here is what I wrote after I watched the show:
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it might help for you to explain to them why YOUR hair is not good enough to be worn out. Tell them WHY you wear lace fronts all of the time, and how it affects you and your hair. Don't just proudly wear cornrows when you do a black hair show and expect ladies to believe that you're actually PROUD of your hair.



ooohhhh I am scared of you!!! :boxing:YEAAHH WHY DON'T YOU TYRA!? ... If she doesn't get it after that letter...I don't know what to tell you.

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She wore her cornrows again today. The crazy thing is that, she actually looks HOT in cornrows. Even with her 5-head, she rocks them well. I understand that many black women have issues with their hair, straight, long, flowing without a kink in sight--but to have such an issue with your hair that you feel the need to rock blonde lacewigs all the time is a problem. Especially for someone like Tyra who has been blessed genetically. She's lived most of her life having people put her on a pedestal as the 'ideal' black woman looks wise, so it's interesting to see that she STILL has issues after all these years.

Makes me really appreciate the sisters out there who are not the 'standard of beauty', yet they walk around with a confidence that is unmatched by mainstream 'beauties'. They don't feel a need to cover up their dark skin and stereotypically west African features with tons of weave and color contacts, they'll rock locs or a fro and still feel beautiful. Those are the sisters young black girls could benefit from observing. We need examples and role models, because just talking isn't getting the job done.
 
The laday that is natural was the only half way reasonable one. The only thing that I didn't like is that it soeemed like she was equating relaxed hair with unhealthy hair. I don't think that is a fair summation.
 
Ok, I finally saw it on YouTube. It wasn't bad. I think that Tyra handled the issue as well as she could for a ~50 minute show (comercials took up some of the time). She even kinda got at her own issues a bit at the end (she said she understood the history of why she had to put all that stuff in her hair for her profession, but that she wore braids for herself b/c she likes her hair that way). The issue is REALLY complex. I'm actually glad that White folk got a chance to see that. It needs to be aired. We're suffocating with all of this baggage! Let them handle/shoulder some of it! The media avalanche is overwhelming us with images designed to make ALL of us (black AND white women) feel insecure about who we are. That's what capitalism is about! Making us feel like we lack something so that we'll go out and buy it. But we have to draw the line somewhere. It's getting out of hand.

Peace.
 
Ok, I finally saw it on YouTube. It wasn't bad. I think that Tyra handled the issue as well as she could for a ~50 minute show (comercials took up some of the time). She even kinda got at her own issues a bit at the end (she said she understood the history of why she had to put all that stuff in her hair for her profession, but that she wore braids for herself b/c she likes her hair that way). The issue is REALLY complex. I'm actually glad that White folk got a chance to see that. It needs to be aired. We're suffocating with all of this baggage! Let them handle/shoulder some of it! The media avalanche is overwhelming us with images designed to make ALL of us (black AND white women) feel insecure about who we are. That's what capitalism is about! Making us feel like we lack something so that we'll go out and buy it. But we have to draw the line somewhere. It's getting out of hand.

Peace.
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i have alot of opinions that i know disagree with many of you but for now i'm gonna focus on one at a time. first when i heard about the 3yr olds perm i thought to young. but when the child was kept saying Ouch! just to have her hair combed. then her hair was all discombobulated in the air. and mother showed the nappy parts around the edges. then she said she only lets it stay on there for a small amount of time then i understood why she puts it on their. she wants it to look smoother. more presentable. and not fully perm it. i could tell not because the end result was still poofy. my question to you all is what is wrong with that??? some of you may not know this but majority of white america do not have strick straight hair. they blow dry their hair straight every morning. so it's not a white hair style. it's simply a hair style.
 
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Ok, I finally saw it on YouTube. It wasn't bad. I think that Tyra handled the issue as well as she could for a ~50 minute show (comercials took up some of the time). She even kinda got at her own issues a bit at the end (she said she understood the history of why she had to put all that stuff in her hair for her profession, but that she wore braids for herself b/c she likes her hair that way). The issue is REALLY complex. I'm actually glad that White folk got a chance to see that. It needs to be aired. We're suffocating with all of this baggage! Let them handle/shoulder some of it! The media avalanche is overwhelming us with images designed to make ALL of us (black AND white women) feel insecure about who we are. That's what capitalism is about! Making us feel like we lack something so that we'll go out and buy it. But we have to draw the line somewhere. It's getting out of hand.

Peace.

it is? see this is what i don't understand for those who feel that way. to me it is we who make it complex. i had a former white coworker who said she was up longer than expected the night before because her little girl wanted a perm like hers and had a hissy fit. btw white people's perms make their hair curly. so how does this differ from the black child who wanted long straight hair? ok imagine a white child going to a black school where most of the kids are brown skinned. at some point she's gonna wish her skin was tanned or browner. how does that differ from that black child wanting the straight long hair? my cousin's little white friend happens to be in this position where she wanted plats and bow rettes like my cousin and her mom started putting them in her hair. did she make a big deal about it saying my child doesn't like her natural self? i doubt it. i just do not see how and why it has to get this much air play and talk and debate.

when kids had nappy hair my aunts who did hair would just say she needs a good pressing comb. press it. or perm it. and that's it. the little girl who wanted the long hair that's all her moms had to do. learn how to take care of it. neither the moms nor child needed to be on tyra's show. tyra didn't need to make a show about it. what's the big deal? i mean really some folk i feel just take this thing wayyyyy to far.

i see some parents much like myself take care of our childrens hair. if nappy and hard and dry and no life we don't leave it nappy. we condition it to make it softer. we add oils to give it life and make it shine. and if nappy some folk use coconut milk to losen the nap pattern. what's wrong with that?
 
I couldn't stand the black mother that thinks black women with natural hair are low rent, low class people. Instead of worrying about having a child with good hair, she needs to put the child and her on a diet.
i totally disagree with that. but at the same time most black people who can afford it straighten their hair. most people who can not tend to where their hair nappy because they can not afford to get it fix. simple concept. we see it everyday. but i do think it's bad that the moms wanted to instill that into her child. anyone can wear their hair nappy or straight.
 
I hated my hair as a child. Good hair/bad hair was in full force in my childhood. I felt just like the little girl with the twists.

so let me ask you this. if your mom had taken good care of your hair or used the techniques on this board to grow it long, make it soft and shiny would you have felt bad about your hair still? Likely not. i don't think it's **bad** that kids think that nappy hair isn't cute. i think its bad when people think children or others should be made or forced to think hair that is nappy, hard looking, hard to the touch, dry, hurt to comb hair is beautiful. what should happen is the parents should take that hair, work it to make it soft shiney and long.

but to make people think they they are wrong to not wear or like nappy hair is wrong to me.

this to me is a major problem. you never hear of relaxed haired women jumping on natural nappy haired women. but it's usually women who wear or have nappy hair who attacks straight or weaved haired women. and this is where the problem usually starts. it's even evident on tyras show. the only time it really became heated was when the dreadlocked chic came into the picture. then she even implied that the woman wasn't a ##strong black woman## because she relaxed her hair? wtf? i think natural folk need to let other people live their lives as long as the relaxed folk are not reflecting badly on them. tis all.
 
so let me ask you this. if your mom had taken good care of your hair or used the techniques on this board to grow it long, make it soft and shiny would you have felt bad about your hair still? Likely not. i don't think it's **bad** that kids think that nappy hair isn't cute. i think its bad when people think children or others should be made or forced to think hair that is nappy, hard looking, hard to the touch, dry, hurt to comb hair is beautiful. what should happen is the parents should take that hair, work it to make it soft shiney and long.

but to make people think they they are wrong to not wear or like nappy hair is wrong to me.

this to me is a major problem. you never hear of relaxed haired women jumping on natural nappy haired women. but it's usually women who wear or have nappy hair who attacks straight or weaved haired women. and this is where the problem usually starts. it's even evident on tyras show. the only time it really became heated was when the dreadlocked chic came into the picture. then she even implied that the woman wasn't a ##strong black woman## because she relaxed her hair? wtf? i think natural folk need to let other people live their lives as long as the relaxed folk are not reflecting badly on them. tis all.

That is not true. It happened on this show. They cut that comment the woman on the panel made about women with natural hair looking like chimpanzees out of the show. So you mean to tell me that you compare me to a nasty ANIMAL because I don't relax my hair? How is that positive? And it shows how stupid the woman was because monkeys have straight hair so how does that compare to a kinky afro? The other girl said people with nappy hair look low class. So now I look poor? Neither one of those comments were positive. Or what about the woman who was ashamed to be seen or introduce her daughter to anybody because of her natural hair. How stupid was that? This was a grown middle aged woman. She should have known better. I wish my mama would act like she didn't know me over my choice of hairstyle. :rolleyes:

Those women were just ignorant. But on the flip side they don't represent all relaxed bw. I don't disagree with all of what the woman with the locs said (I don't agree that all relaxed hair is damaged though I understand the scientific reasoning behind that statement) but I do think her delivery took away the substance of her comments. A lot of people have misconceptions about natural hair. We do wash our hair and usually more than people who are relaxed. So the woman with the wig was loud and wrong in that regard and she was trying to correct her. And you're making it seem like nappy hair is only acceptable if it is shiny and long and that's not true either.

To be honest I think it goes both ways. Naturals get all kinds of nappy headed, buckwheat looking, sheeps behind head looking, unkempt, dirty, masculine, Erykah Badu/Jill Scott, they need to fix that mess on their head, need a perm, need to get their hair done, rough looking, slave/Miss Celie looking, poor, etc. comments for choosing not to relax their hair. It happens ALL THE TIME. I remember somebody posting here about a white woman telling her that her natural hair looked like pubic hair. I think people who don't have a curl pattern get it more than those that do (because curls/waves = "good hair") but it happens. You don't see it on this board much because were are pretty much equally accepting of both healthy relaxed and natural hair but it happens more often than you think in the real world. Both extremes are equally wrong. And if you really think about it, most black women are still relaxed. So if you look at the numbers, even if all the "nappies" did attack "permies" we'd still be outnumbered at least 8 to 1. So whose doing more damage?

Sweetheart, based on your comments in this thread you seem to have the same mentality of those women on the panel. Real talk. I understand natural hair is not for everybody but everybody who is natural does not wear their hair nappy because they are poor and can't get it done. In all honesty, most poor black women are wearing short hair cuts or bonded unrealistic weaves. Go to the hood and tell me what you see. They usually have the most coiffed hairstyles of us all. Most black women are relaxed with short damaged hair. And most of them cover it up with weave. That is a fact. And most of the black women out here with long hair that is their own have what would be considered "good" or "soft" hair. This is nothing new.

It is 2009 and we need to get out of being ashamed of wearing our hair the way it grows out of our head to ease other people's minds. I'm not saying everybody has to have a fro, but if you keep trying the same thing expecting different results and it's not working out for you maybe it is time to try something different. All I'm saying is it least be tolerant of somebody else's choice. Shoot I'm tolerant of all the relaxers I see all day everyday why can't relaxed heads do the same. You don't have to like it but realize things change. Hair does not have to be straight and smooth to look presentable anymore. That is not the only acceptable option anymore.
 
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That is not true. It happened on this show. They cut that comment the woman on the panel made about women with natural hair looking like chimpanzees out of the show. So you mean to tell me that you compare me to a nasty ANIMAL because I don't relax my hair? How is that positive? And it shows how stupid the woman was because monkeys have straight hair so how does that compare to a kinky afro? The other girl said people with nappy hair look low class. So now I look poor? Neither one of those comments were positive. Or what about the woman who was ashamed to be seen or introduce her daughter to anybody because of her natural hair. How stupid was that? This was a grown middle aged woman. She should have known better. I wish my mama would act like she didn't know me over my choice of hairstyle. :rolleyes:

Those women were just ignorant. But on the flip side they don't represent all relaxed bw. I don't disagree with all of what the woman with the locs said (I don't agree that all relaxed hair is damaged though I understand the scientific reasoning behind that statement) but I do think her delivery took away the substance of her comments. A lot of people have misconceptions about natural hair. We do wash our hair and usually more than people who are relaxed. So the woman with the wig was loud and wrong in that regard and she was trying to correct her. And you're making it seem like nappy hair is only acceptable if it is shiny and long and that's not true either.

To be honest I think it goes both ways. Naturals get all kinds of nappy headed, buckwheat looking, sheeps behind head looking, unkempt, dirty, masculine, Erykah Badu/Jill Scott, they need to fix that mess on their head, need a perm, need to get their hair done, rough looking, slave/Miss Celie looking, poor, etc. comments for choosing not to relax their hair. It happens ALL THE TIME. I remember somebody posting here about a white woman telling her that her natural hair looked like pubic hair. I think people who don't have a curl pattern get it more than those that do (because curls/waves = "good hair") but it happens. You don't see it on this board much because were are pretty much equally accepting of both healthy relaxed and natural hair but it happens more often than you think in the real world. Both extremes are equally wrong.
ok now that comment was wrong. DEAD wrong. and stupid.but on the flip side how does someone saying nappy hair (4b, 4c, 4d +) looks like pubic hair differs from some white people's noses looking like bird beaks? i see advantages and disadvantages in every single race. every race. as far as the mother i don't blame her. if my daughter's head looked like that i wouldn't have wanted to introduce her either. to me it looked uncombed. unkept. unpresentable. you can say otherwise but that girls head looked a hot HAWT mess. like she hadn't combed it in a month had worn a hat on it another month and had just removed that hat for the show without doing anything else. nappy hair is one thing but please groom it. i like racheal truths hair. to me hers is not nappy. it has a pretty loser curl pattern to where it looks fun and it has a shine. and it's always groomed. i think we as black people think society should love everything about us and so should we. what other race thinks this way? every single race has physical mainstays that they do not like about themselves. as for me i don't care for nappy hair. neither do i like certain white features and certain asian features. but just because you are black doesn't mean that every single t hing about you is the 2nd coming. and it shoudn't be forced down your throat. and you shouldn't be judged as being less black for it. it think thats very nearsighted. but it happens alot on here from what i've seen. maybe we are just reading different posts. my thing is if nappy hair is what you like i love it. i'm just not celebrating over it.
 
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ok now that comment was wrong. DEAD wrong. but on the flip side how does someone saying nappy hair (4b, 4c, 4d +) looks like pubic hair differs from some white people's noses looking like bird beaks? i see advantages and disadvantages in every single race. every race. as far as the mother i don't blame her. if my daughter's head looked like that i wouldn't have wanted to introduce her either. to me it looked uncombed. unkept. unpresentable. you can say otherwise but that girls head looked a hot HAWT mess. like she hadn't combed it in a month had worn a hat on it another month and had just removed that hat for the show without doing anything else. nappy hair is one thing but please groom it. i like racheal truths hair. to me hers is not nappy. it has a pretty loser curl pattern to where it looks fun and it has a shine. and it's always groomed. i think we as black people think society should love everything about us and so should we. what other race thinks this way? every single race has physical mainstays that they do not like about themselves. as for me i don't care for nappy hair. neither do i like certain white features and certain asian features. but just because you are black doesn't mean that every single t hing about you is the 2nd coming. and it shoudn't be forced down your throat. and you shouldn't be judged as being less black for it. it think thats very nearsighted. but it happens.

There is a difference. White people were not villified for centuries because of their beak noses. They don't have that history behind it. It did not affect the quality of their life and their chances of surviv al hundreds of years ago. Beak noses do not have the negative stigma of nappy hair. White people were not called poor, animals, dirty, savages or unkempt because they have beak noses. They were not supposed to be ashamed of their noses or told to keep them covered. It is not the same.

The girl with the TWA's hair did not look unkempt and uncombed. That is how a TWA looks. She even had a little curl pattern. Her hair was styled with product. But the way the mother carried the whole situation was stupid. How about I use your logic here - so if nappy hair is an undesirable trait just like say a beak nose, would it have been okay for the girl's mother to not introduce her to someone because she didn't like her nose? Since they're the same and all. Or would she not introduce her daughter to somebody because she was fat? Too dark skinned? Dyed her hair blonde? How ridiculous does that sound? Where do we draw the line?

Do you mean Rachel True? The same Rachel True that got teased for her hair being big, wild, frizzy and unkempt? They even made fun of her hair in the script on Half and Half. It was usually Big Dee Dee. She would fall into the same category of people whose hair you deem unacceptable. I understand why a lot of people were upset about the show (I wasn't. I don't think Tyra did a bad job there just wasn't enough time to cover everything.) mainly because they thought she picked the most ignorant people to put on the panel to air our dirty laundry. But after reading your comments it just goes to show us that people like that still exist out here in this world. It is 2009. We need to get out of that slave mentality line of thinking. Black is beautiful and we need to stop subscribing to everybody else's standard of beauty and create and follow our own - whatever that may be. Relaxed or natural. Long or short. There is room foer more than one option. One doesn't have to be good/right and the other automatically bad/wrong.
 
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There is a difference. White people were not villified for centuries because of their beak noses. They don't have that history behind it. It did not affect the quality of their life and their chances of surviv al hundreds of years ago. Beak noses do not have the negative stigma of nappy hair. White people were not called poor, animals, dirty, savages or unkempt because they have beak noses. They were not supposed to be ashamed of their noses or told to keep them covered. It is not the same.

The girl with the TWA's hair did not look unkempt and uncombed. That is how a TWA looks. She even had a little curl pattern. Her hair was styled with product. But the way the mother carried the whole situation was stupid. How about I use your logic here - so if nappy hair is an undesirable trait just like say a beak nose, would it have been okay for the girl's mother to not introduce her to someone because she didn't like her nose? Since they're the same and all. Or would she not introduce her daughter to somebody because she was fat? Too dark skinned? Dyed her hair blonde? How ridiculous does that sound? Where do we draw the line?

Do you mean Rachel True? The same Rachel True that got teased for her hair being big, wild, frizzy and unkempt? They even made fun of her hair in the script on Half and Half. It was usually Big Dee Dee. She would fall into the same category of people whose hair you deem unacceptable. I understand why a lot of people were upset about the show (I wasn't. I don't think Tyra did a bad job there just wasn't enough time to cover everything.) mainly because they thought she picked the most ignorant people to put on the panel to air our dirty laundry. But after reading your comments it just goes to show us that people like that still exist out here in this world. It is 2009. We need to get out of that slave mentality line of thinking. Black is beautiful and we need to stop subscribing to everybody else's standard of beauty and create and follow our own - whatever that may be. Relaxed or natural. Long or short. There is room foer more than one option. One doesn't have to be good/right and the other automatically bad/wrong.

hum. good points you've made. i understand much better now. and i do agree with you. plus on half n half they did make fun of her hair and i did not like that. her and essence's hair were both very beautiful. i just loved rachel's hair better. thanks for the explanation. you are right. we have our own version of beauty just like any other race. it is time to begin accepting embracing and celebrating that. :yep: no neither is wrong or right. each is just an expression of what that individual likes and prefers. hope i didn't offend. if so please forgive my ignorance.:hug3:
 
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