Do salon products change when they hit the big marts?

[envybeauty]

I'm talking walmart, target, etc.

I heard nexxus products changed once they were no longer sold by salons alone. Did anyone expeience that? Folks said it was just not as good anymore.

I saw Keracare in Target and my heart was hurting. Keracare poo is my holy grail when it comes to poos. It cannot change! Ever! I wanted to run to JCPenney and buy up all their Keracare before they got a new shipment.

 

[Esq.2B]

I suspect they do. Once they hit the big marts and the pharmacies I think the formula is altered. Even if the ingredients are listed identically, I believe it's a different quality of ingredients. Kind of like the whole fuss about the old Humecto bottle vs. the tub which listed the same ingredients but were different (IIRC).

Though, I believe the product manufacturers will continue to distribute the best quality products to the salons. So if I'm looking for salon quality products, I will purchase those lines from a Salon or maybe a Sally's if I can't find it at a Salon.

 

[msa]

I agree with Esq2B...I think once companies start producing for a larger market they switch to cheaper ingredients, like Carol's Daughter did. If someone goes to buy Nexxus at Target they usually don't care about the quality of the ingredients or know the difference, they just think they're getting a better product for less money. I also agree that if you want salon quality products, you should probably buy it from a salon.

 

[BellaLunie]

Keracare in Target? Wow where do you live? I buy the Nexxus at Walmart and the salon and I can't really tell the difference

 

[clever]

I purchased Joico at a drugstore and it was terrible.I'll only be purchasing from salons from now on.

 

[uofmpanther]

Keracare is at Target?! Putting on my shoes to run out the door

 

[shunemite]

Keracare's at Walmart too. I was peeved when Nexxus took the glycerin out of their humectress. I noticed something funny one time when I bought it, and then when I realized what it was, I said aha, and haven't used it since.

 

[envybeauty]

VA. I didnt see the poo but they could have been sold out. They had other Keracare products in stock.

So as long as I buy Kera at salons, it will be a quality product? I didn't realize the same labeled product could be different depending on the retailer.

 

[BellaLunie]

Keracare's at Walmart too. I was peeved when Nexxus took the glycerin out of their humectress. I noticed something funny one time when I bought it, and then when I realized what it was, I said aha, and haven't used it since.

They also sell glycerine in Walmart it's in the ointment aisle by the pharmacy

 

[vkb247]

They have to change the ingredients - even if it just a little bit - because salon products are meant to be used at a bowl and can be quite acidic. But products sold in stores is designed to be used in the shower where the product can get into the users eyes and the manufacturers don't want to be sued. I am not sure what other differences there are.

 

[Bachelorette]

What do you consider a "salon"

Is it wrong to purchase from like a Trade Secrets?

 

[Esq.2B]

They have to change the ingredients - even if it just a little bit - because salon products are meant to be used at a bowl and can be quite acidic. But products sold in stores is designed to be used in the shower where the product can get into the users eyes and the manufacturers don't want to be sued. I am not sure what other differences there are.

But then shouldn't there be a restriction on even selling salon products to consumers in the first place? Why are JC Penney's and other salons licensed to sell this stuff to the public?

 

[Taina]

Yes, is like they change the formula a litle beat so it can be affordable for all people. when the product is just for salons or profesional use, is better, but more expensive too, most of the times.

 

[bgsix]

I don't necessarily think the formula has been changed, but I do believe the products are old, stale, and not as effective as salon products.

 

[Kimiche]

I purchased Joico at a drugstore and it was terrible.I'll only be purchasing from salons from now on.

Same thing happened when I bought Redken Smooth Down Heat Glide @ the drugstore. It just wasn't the same. Like you, I'll stick to purchasing from salons.

 

[outspokenwallflower]

What do you consider a "salon"

Is it wrong to purchase from like a Trade Secrets?

Not wrong at all; Trade Secret is a beauty supply store/salon.

 

[outspokenwallflower]

I don't necessarily think the formula has been changed, but I do believe the products are old, stale, and not as effective as salon products.

This is what I figured as well...

 

[jamaraa]

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[vkb247]

But then shouldn't there be a restriction on even selling salon products to consumers in the first place? Why are JC Penney's and other salons licensed to sell this stuff to the public?

Good point. There is a restriction like this on some products and others are intended for at home use but only sold at salons. I'm not sure! I know that I have seen some articles about this at The Beauty Brains if you want to look into it!

ETA: Ok so maybe they aren't different!
http://thebeautybrains.com/2006/06/...n-regular-stores-the-same-as-those-in-salons/

http://thebeautybrains.com/2008/01/19/how-pricey-products-baffle-your-brain/

 

[Tafa01]

From Redken website:

Diverted products can be counterfeit, diluted formulas, or old, expired formulas that may not be safe to use.
Redken states on all its advertising, "Genuine Products Guaranteed Only In Salons." This means if you buy our products in a supermarket, drugstore or any other outlet other than a salon, we cannot guarantee that it is an authentic Redken product that will perform as tested.

 

[Tafa01]

They also say:


Unauthorized Sales Outlets:
Any Mass Retailer
Any Mass Discount Store
Drugstore
Grocery Store
Online Purchases from non-L’Oreal Professional Salon Products Websites
Products Websites

Please purchase Redken products from salons and spas that can offer you the best service and product recommendations for your hair. Only products purchased in a salon or spa are guaranteed to perform to our standards. Thank you for supporting your salon and spa community.


I have seen these statements on may products websites

 

[sowhut]

This is a good question.
I dont have an issue with the humectress though, it still works fine for me.

 

[BellaLunie]

From Redken website:

Diverted products can be counterfeit, diluted formulas, or old, expired formulas that may not be safe to use.
Redken states on all its advertising, "Genuine Products Guaranteed Only In Salons." This means if you buy our products in a supermarket, drugstore or any other outlet other than a salon, we cannot guarantee that it is an authentic Redken product that will perform as tested.

Paul Mitchell's products have almost the same disclaimer. Who knew grocery stores bootleg

 

[glamazon386]

Sometimes they do. I know for a fact some of the Nexxus products changed.

 

[glamazon386]

But then shouldn't there be a restriction on even selling salon products to consumers in the first place? Why are JC Penney's and other salons licensed to sell this stuff to the public?

For the same reason you can walk into a BSS and by a relaxer that's supposed to be for use by a liscensed professional only. Money... I think salons can sell products because the stylist is using the products on your hair and they would think that they would recommend said product to the customers and give proper instructions. Obviously that's not always the case but it's almost like the licensed professional is selling/providing you the product for use at your own discretion or kind of like with a disclaimer versus somebody walking into CVS buying something and taking it home.

 

[Esq.2B]

Hmmm...that doesn't really coincide with the poster who I quoted's reasoning though. She stated that the difference in the quality was due to hazards, and manufacturers not wanting to be sued. Selling a dangerous product to a consumer through a salon is not necessary relieving a manufacturer of liability. Just like if a doctor writes me a prescription for a drug that has unexpected defects, that doesn't mean the drug maker will be excused of liability.

In the case of JC Penny's, the manufacturer knows that the salons are selling the products to a consumer. And if the manufacturer's reasoning was that the stylist is using the products in your hair and thus giving us proper instructions, then I think the manufacturer would restrict sales only to people getting their hair done at JC Penney, and not permit JC Penny to advertise to the general public in circulars etc..., or at a minimum, include some type of extra warning label...that would be if the point of the different quality of the ingredients was merely to avoid liability as the poster I quoted stated.

We can agree that it has to deal with money. But my beliefs are more on par w/ the posters who believe they are switching to cheaper ingredients to accomodate the larger market. People go to salons because they want quality results, so salons are provided with the "good" stuff. But generally speaking, people who do their hair at home are not seeking "salon" results (us ladies are the exception ). Thus companies are willing and able to skimp on the quality ingredients.

 

[glamazon386]

Hmmm...that doesn't really coincide with the poster who I quoted's reasoning though. She stated that the difference in the quality was due to hazards, and manufacturers not wanting to be sued. Selling a dangerous product to a consumer through a salon is not necessary relieving a manufacturer of liability. Just like if a doctor writes me a prescription for a drug that has unexpected defects, that doesn't mean the drug maker will be excused of liability.

In the case of JC Penny's, the manufacturer knows that the salons are selling the products to a consumer. And if the manufacturer's reasoning was that the stylist is using the products in your hair and thus giving us proper instructions, then I think the manufacturer would restrict sales only to people getting their hair done at JC Penney, and not permit JC Penny to advertise to the general public in circulars etc..., or at a minimum, include some type of extra warning label...that would be if the point of the different quality of the ingredients was merely to avoid liability as the poster I quoted stated.

We can agree that it has to deal with money. But my beliefs are more on par w/ the posters who believe they are switching to cheaper ingredients to accomodate the larger market. People go to salons because they want quality results, so salons are provided with the "good" stuff. But generally speaking, people who do their hair at home are not seeking "salon" results (us ladies are the exception ). Thus companies are willing and able to skimp on the quality ingredients.

I would agree with you on the bolded. If we could all acheive salon quality results at home there would be no reason for salons and stylists.

I understand what you're saying but even though JCP advertises sales to the public it's still a salon. You can walk into any hair salon that sells products and purchase without being serviced. Trade Secret is a salon and they advertise sales/specials. I buy some of my natural hair products from a salon where I've never been serviced. There must be some kind of loophole for salons to sell professional concentrated products to the public. I know a lot of BSS wont sell professional products to people without a license or they will but they jack the price up. And sometimes those products aren't real so that's another can of worms.

 

[Esq.2B]

I would agree with you on the bolded. If we could all acheive salon quality results at home there would be no reason for salons and stylists.

I understand what you're saying but even though JCP advertises sales to the public it's still a salon. You can walk into any hair salon that sells products and purchase without being serviced. Trade Secret is a salon and they advertise sales/specials. I buy some of my natural hair products from a salon where I've never been serviced. There must be some kind of loophole for salons to sell professional concentrated products to the public. I know a lot of BSS wont sell professional products to people without a license or they will but they jack the price up. And sometimes those products aren't real so that's another can of worms.

Re: buying products in a salon, right, I know that people can do that. Again, my statement spoke to the poster's reasoning. I said that if the manufacturer's reasoning was as the poster had suggested, then restrictions would be there or an extra warning.

Yep re: the bolded. This is why in my earlier post I stated that I don't think it has to deal with extra dangers in the salon formulas. Otherwise, I don't think these products would be available for sale to consumers or have a loophole. I think the manufacturers are just being cheap with regards to the mass marketing. And regarding the BSS products, yes, we've seen too many threads with fake products and artificial products from BSS and other unauthorized dealers so I'm not even sure if those products are always "professional" products, despite the label.