Keratin Treatment Support Thread

[cutenss]

^^^^^Its funny because I have doing BKT once a month for 6 months. My hair has never been bone straight out of the shower. You would think that it would be. I am going to wash today or Monday and post pics of washed hair naked (not me,:nono but the hair )so that yoy can see what I mean. I keep waves/curls. You would think after layer upon layerof BKT, my hair would be bone straight wet, but not so. Do any of the naturals get bone straight wet hair, or did I miss read?

 

[sheba1]

^^^^^Its funny because I have doing BKT once a month for 6 months. My hair has never been bone straight out of the shower. You would think that it would be. I am going to wash today or Monday and post pics of washed hair naked (not me,:nono but the hair )so that yoy can see what I mean. I keep waves/curls. You would think after layer upon layerof BKT, my hair would be bone straight wet, but not so. Do any of the naturals get bone straight wet hair, or did I miss read?

I don't think you and I have to worry about that, Cutenss. Brittany is layering one of the 4% formaldehyde solutions and that was the result she was looking for. If so much BKT started to build up that our hair began to appear too smooth right out of the shower, we could just stop BKTing until enough layers of it wore off that our curl patter returned to where we're ready to start again.

Here's a thread that has links to Brittany's fotki, youtube, etc: http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=411766

 

[Carolina18]

^^^^^Its funny because I have doing BKT once a month for 6 months. My hair has never been bone straight out of the shower. You would think that it would be. I am going to wash today or Monday and post pics of washed hair naked (not me,:nono but the hair )so that yoy can see what I mean. I keep waves/curls. You would think after layer upon layerof BKT, my hair would be bone straight wet, but not so. Do any of the naturals get bone straight wet hair, or did I miss read?

Oh wow, it would be great to see those pics! Are you waves/ curls looser than your un-BKTd hair, or the same?

 

[sheba1]

Here's a little sneak preview if you haven't seen it already: http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=365479&highlight=

Of course that was several BKTs ago

 

[aegis]

im getting mine today. im getting mine today

im trying to decide how strong i want my second one in two weeks to be

 

[mstar]

I hate to contradict Sheba's advice but a top quality ceramic iron is part of what makes the BKT treatment bond better and protects your hair from heat damage.

I was told by a pro that I needed to invest a FHI or Babyliss ceramic tourmaline ionic iron because it helps with your hair to prevent heat damage and it helps with the BKT bonding with the hair.

I invested in the top of the line BabyLiss and I believe that is one of the reasons I have had such great success with the product.

Just something to think about. Your 410 Sedu would be better than the cheap TJ Maxx iron. I looked at that thing and walked away from it and left it in the store. Try your Sedu, if that doesn't work upgrade. IMHO

Hey Atlanta, how can you tell if the iron is cheap? (I'm a newbie to flat ironing). My iron has titanium plates that feel like smooth glass...it seems pretty good, but how can I be sure?

Also, I was going to run by TJ Maxx today to see if they have any good blow dryers. Is there anything in particular that I should be looking for in terms of quality?

Sheba, I like the sound of the Croc iron. Do you think the ones at Overstock.com are okay, or are they refurbished or something? TIA...

 

[MissMeWithThatIsh]

Hey I want to get the DreamHair Keratin, who's a good seller to go through on eBay? Or should I just buy from the site?

 

[AtlantaJJ]

Hey Atlanta, how can you tell if the iron is cheap? (I'm a newbie to flat ironing). My iron has titanium plates that feel like smooth glass...it seems pretty good, but how can I be sure?

Also, I was going to run by TJ Maxx today to see if they have any good blow dryers. Is there anything in particular that I should be looking for in terms of quality?

Sheba, I like the sound of the Croc iron. Do you think the ones at Overstock.com are okay, or are they refurbished or something? TIA...

Your iron is good as long as its ceramic and is made with the good ionic materials, I strongly believe that protects the hair from heat damage. I have a nano-technology tourmaline iron and my hair has zero heat damage and I do my treatments at 450 degrees. My blow dryer is a Sedu ionic dryer. My hair has never been healthier and I attribute that to both the BKT and good heat tools.

What type of iron do you have?

 

[AtlantaJJ]

I'm doing the flat iron portion of my BKT right now. I'm half global 4% in the front (I ran out) and half OK Keratin. I'll take some pics when I'm done.

ETA: I have this thing down to a science. There is not even any smoke, I had to check to see if my iron was on and turned up

 

[sheba1]

Hey Atlanta, how can you tell if the iron is cheap? (I'm a newbie to flat ironing). My iron has titanium plates that feel like smooth glass...it seems pretty good, but how can I be sure?

Check out this thread, Mstar: The Truth About Flat Irons

Also, I was going to run by TJ Maxx today to see if they have any good blow dryers. Is there anything in particular that I should be looking for in terms of quality?

Sheba, I like the sound of the Croc iron. Do you think the ones at Overstock.com are okay, or are they refurbished or something? TIA...

I learned this trick from Fab. Do a search on bing.com for "camera". Click on the link that says to get 8% cash back (sometimes more) from ebay. Click on the ebay link and then search for Croc 2. If you get it from ebay you should be able to get your Croc2 from a trusted seller for $85 and get 8% cash back. You just have to pay with paypal.

I love my Croc2 but since you already have a titanium iron, I would probably just get me that teflon tape that improves any iron for BKT use. Don'tspeakdefeat wrapped that teflon tape around her $300 flat iron to improve it so I'm gonna put it on my Croc and see what I think. LInk to it is below. She said she replaces it every 6 months.

http://www.braziliankeratin.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=178

Hey I want to get the DreamHair Keratin, who's a good seller to go through on eBay? Or should I just buy from the site?

You might want to get your sample from Fabulosity, Lauryndoll She's got every Dreamhair scent.

 

[sheba1]

I'm doing the flat iron portion of my BKT right now. I'm half global 4% in the front (I ran out) and half OK Keratin. I'll take some pics when I'm done.

Wooooh I can't wait!!! You AND Cutenss are posting pics?! Falls out

 

[AtlantaJJ]

Check out this thread, Mstar: The Truth About Flat Irons

I learned this trick from Fab. Do a search on bing.com for "camera". Click on the link that says to get 8% cash back (sometimes more) from ebay. Click on the ebay link and then search for Croc 2. If you get it from ebay you should be able to get your Croc2 from a trusted seller for $85 and get 8% cash back. You just have to pay with paypal.

I love my Croc2 but since you already have a titanium iron, I would probably just get me that teflon tape that improves any iron for BKT use. Don'tspeakdefeat wrapped that teflon tape around her $300 flat iron to improve it so I'm gonna put it on my Croc and see what I think. LInk to it is below. She said she replaces it every 6 months.

http://www.braziliankeratin.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=178



You might want to get your sample from Fabulosity, Lauryndoll She's got every Dreamhair scent.

That's an excellent article and my iron has most of the good qualities. I think I want that FHI Runway one of these days tho, when I get to BSL as a gift to myself or something

 

[jayjaycurlz]

I just did my 2nd BKT and 9 weeks post. I'll upload pic tomorrow. I was wondering if I could use Lanza Healing Moisture shampoo and condish on my hair? It doesn't have sodium chloride but there are other ingredients with sodium in the name like sodium cocoyl isethionate, sodium lauroyl sarcosinate, sodium PCA, etc.

What do you guys think about these ingredients? What post-BKT shampoo and conditioners are you using?

 

[cutenss]

Yes I will post new pics tomorrow, my Monday hair day. Yea, I am not worried about losing or not losing waves/curls. I heart my Sedu Revolution. I got it off HSN, on flex payments. I didn't want to shell 100+ dollars at once. It is a good iron to use with the Dream hair.

I must get some of that tefelon tape for my iron.

I use whatever products I want on MYhair becaue I do BKT once a month. So I am not worried about stripping. I am thinking about doing it every 2-3 months. I think I am going to start that for the new year.

I am getting my "own" beauty salon at home ready, with a steamer, bonnet dryer, ceramic rollers, and possibly a Sedu Revolution hand held dryer.

@LaurynDoll this is the ebay I used. If your read the feedback, you will see me. I know that *Fab* has cheaper samples. I will probably get 3-4 uses for this 4oz sample. I don't use alot. I use this BKT from now on. 3-5 passes at best, on a 420-430 iron = silkiness. CuzMyAngelsCU says she noticed the same thing.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220484020320

 

[Dove56]

Ladies,

I went to Ulta on Saturday (10/24) and had the Coppola Keratin Smoothing Complex done while they are still running their special. The guy that did my hair did an excellent job and I am thrilled with the results!!! I am 19 weeks post and I usually only tex-lax twice a year but I'm experimenting with the Keratin treatments to see if I can forgo relaxing entirely.

I really want to be able to wear my hair curly and straight without frizz and reversion. So far so good (with Softliss). I haven't washed the treatment out yet. I have to wait 72 hours so I'll post pictures of my hair now and after my first wash. I purchased a dandruff control shampoo by Nioxin (sulfate free), Pureology Hydrating Shampoo (sulfate free) and Coppola Keratin Vanilla Bean Deep Conditioner. I'll let you all know how all of the products work.

 

[Blessed2bless]

Ladies,

I went to Ulta on Saturday (10/24) and had the Coppola Keratin Smoothing Complex done while they are still running their special. The guy that did my hair did an excellent job and I am thrilled with the results!!! I am 19 weeks post and I usually only tex-lax twice a year but I'm experimenting with the Keratin treatments to see if I can forgo relaxing entirely.

I really want to be able to wear my hair curly and straight without frizz and reversion. So far so good (with Softliss). I haven't washed the treatment out yet. I have to wait 72 hours so I'll post pictures of my hair now and after my first wash. I purchased a dandruff control shampoo by Nioxin (sulfate free), Pureology Hydrating Shampoo (sulfate free) and Coppola Keratin Vanilla Bean Deep Conditioner. I'll let you all know how all of the products work.

Great!!! I'm excited to see your results. When was the last time you did
your softliss?

 

[Blessed2bless]

Yes I will post new pics tomorrow, my Monday hair day. Yea, I am not worried about losing or not losing waves/curls. I heart my Sedu Revolution. I got it off HSN, on flex payments. I didn't want to shell 100+ dollars at once. It is a good iron to use with the Dream hair.

I must get some of that tefelon tape for my iron.

I use whatever products I want on MYhair becaue I do BKT once a month. So I am not worried about stripping. I am thinking about doing it every 2-3 months. I think I am going to start that for the new year.

I am getting my "own" beauty salon at home ready, with a steamer, bonnet dryer, ceramic rollers, and possibly a Sedu Revolution hand held dryer.

@LaurynDoll this is the ebay I used. If your read the feedback, you will see me. I know that *Fab* has cheaper samples. I will probably get 3-4 uses for this 4oz sample. I don't use alot. I use this BKT from now on. 3-5 passes at best, on a 420-430 iron = silkiness. CuzMyAngelsCU says she noticed the same thing.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ue=220484020320

Hi Cuteness,
I have read most of your post and I'm intrigued by you doing your bkts monthly...I have a few questions for you...
What are the benefits have you seen in doing them monthly
What product are you using? (sorry I can't remember)
How is your shedding in doing them monthly?
Thank you for answering these questions.

 

[AtlantaJJ]

Yes I will post new pics tomorrow, my Monday hair day. Yea, I am not worried about losing or not losing waves/curls. I heart my Sedu Revolution. I got it off HSN, on flex payments. I didn't want to shell 100+ dollars at once. It is a good iron to use with the Dream hair.

I must get some of that tefelon tape for my iron.

I use whatever products I want on MYhair becaue I do BKT once a month. So I am not worried about stripping. I am thinking about doing it every 2-3 months. I think I am going to start that for the new year.

I am getting my "own" beauty salon at home ready, with a steamer, bonnet dryer, ceramic rollers, and possibly a Sedu Revolution hand held dryer.

@LaurynDoll this is the ebay I used. If your read the feedback, you will see me. I know that *Fab* has cheaper samples. I will probably get 3-4 uses for this 4oz sample. I don't use alot. I use this BKT from now on. 3-5 passes at best, on a 420-430 iron = silkiness. CuzMyAngelsCU says she noticed the same thing.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220484020320

I have the Sedu blow dryer. Gurl, its the truth I don't even have to flat iron after using and my hair has so much shine and body and bounce it's crazy! Even after I did just did the neckit blow dry before my BKT my hair was soft shining like crazy (zero product)! That blow dryer makes a huge difference. I have had blow dryers in the past that made hair crunchy before. I need to get all my old non ceramic hair tools and give them to the Good Will, seriously!!

I want to get some ceramic rollers Let us know what kind you get and how you like them.

I didn't get to post pics either, it was late when I finished, I wraped up and went to bed...lol.

 

[cutenss]

Hi Cuteness,
I have read most of your post and I'm intrigued by you doing your bkts monthly...I have a few questions for you...
What are the benefits have you seen in doing them monthly
What product are you using? (sorry I can't remember)
How is your shedding in doing them monthly?
Thank you for answering these questions.

HTH:
What are the benefits have you seen in doing them monthly
Because I am using any and all products, with or without sulfates, I do BKT montly. But starting next year, I am going to every 2-3 months. One of the main benefits are no single strand knots, from wearing WNG.
What product are you using? (sorry I can't remember)
Here is the main things I am using:
Patene RN shampoo, ORS Aloe Shampoo (for good clarifying) VO5 conditioners, Aussie Moist conditioner, JOICO K-Pak reconstructor, Lustrasilk SheaButter and Mango, Redken Smooth Down Butter Treat.
I am a PJ and I like to try different things.
How is your shedding in doing them monthly?
I do not lose nearly as many hairs because of the ease detangling. But I do lose a few.
Thank you for answering these questions.
You are welcome. Anytime

 

[me-T]

@LaurynDoll this is the ebay I used. If your read the feedback, you will see me. I know that *Fab* has cheaper samples. I will probably get 3-4 uses for this 4oz sample. I don't use alot. I use this BKT from now on. 3-5 passes at best, on a 420-430 iron = silkiness. CuzMyAngelsCU says she noticed the same thing.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220484020320

just ordered the morrocan, a flat iron and some other things....be on the lookout


*lurk mode re-activated*

 

[cutenss]

I have the Sedu blow dryer. Gurl, its the truth I don't even have to flat iron after using and my hair has so much shine and body and bounce it's crazy! Even after I did just did the neckit blow dry before my BKT my hair was soft shining like crazy (zero product)! That blow dryer makes a huge difference. I have had blow dryers in the past that made hair crunchy before. I need to get all my old non ceramic hair tools and give them to the Good Will, seriously!!

I want to get some ceramic rollers Let us know what kind you get and how you like them.

I didn't get to post pics either, it was late when I finished, I wraped up and went to bed...lol.

Hey AJJ,

If the Sedu iron is ALL that, I can just imagine the blowdryer being the same. Santa is probably going to bring me one . I wa reading about the ceramic rollers in this thread: http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=408848&highlight=ceramic+rollers
Soon as I get more info, I will pass it along. Can't wait to see your pics. I know your hair is FABULOUS!

 

[AtlantaJJ]

HTH:
What are the benefits have you seen in doing them monthly
Because I am using any and all products, with or without sulfates, I do BKT montly. But starting next year, I am going to every 2-3 months. One of the main benefits are no single strand knots, from wearing WNG.
What product are you using? (sorry I can't remember)
Here is the main things I am using:
Patene RN shampoo, ORS Aloe Shampoo (for good clarifying) VO5 conditioners, Aussie Moist conditioner, JOICO K-Pak reconstructor, Lustrasilk SheaButter and Mango, Redken Smooth Down Butter Treat.
I am a PJ and I like to try different things.
How is your shedding in doing them monthly?
I do not lose nearly as many hairs because of the ease detangling. But I do lose a few.
Thank you for answering these questions.
You are welcome. Anytime

Cutenes Question for you,
Can you give a comparison of OK Keratin vis Dreamhair?

Which do you like better and why?

Is the process eaiser for one vs the other?

(you can answer this later) Does one treatment last longer than the other?

Thank you!!

ETA: I think I cut the last of my single strand knots out last night.

 

[Love Always]

Hey Nisha, which product are you using? If it's Dreamhair or Softliss, I don't think you have to worry much about the smell being noticeable. Now my Global is not so much fun in that regard It would definitely stir up a ruckus

Hey Sheba, sorry I'm just seeing this. If I was to do this treatment on my own I was going to go with QOD Gold. Thanks for the recommendations but I'm just going to go to the salon and get the Coopla Keratin Treatment. I just can't deal with the constant remarks on what I do to my own hair when it comes to my family members . They make remarks everytime I wash my hair erplexed.

 

[AtlantaJJ]

Hey Sheba, sorry I'm just seeing this. If I was to do this treatment on my own I was going to go with QOD Gold. Thanks for the recommendations but I'm just going to go to the salon and get the Coopla Keratin Treatment. I just can't deal with the constant remarks on what I do to my own hair when it comes to my family members . They make remarks everytime I wash my hair erplexed.

I know you are adressing Sheba but what's up with the fam members sweating you about your hair?

Ask them if they can find something better and more productive to do with their time. You can tell them AtlantaJJ told them you to tell them that and refer them to me if they give you any static. I'll pay them a visit, next time I'm in town to see my family. (There is a reason I live across country from my family )

I'm sorry you have that kind of trouble with your folks. I know you are going to love the BKT and you should be able to do them yourself.

 

[cutenss]

Cutenes Question for you,
Can you give a comparison of OK Keratin vis Dreamhair?

Which do you like better and why?

Is the process eaiser for one vs the other?

(you can answer this later) Does one treatment last longer than the other?

Thank you!!

ETA: I think I cut the last of my single strand knots out last night.

Which do you like better and why?
I love them both the same. My first BKT with the OK was awesome. I did that my second month too. After that for 3 monthes I used QOD , did I mention . So then I tried the Dream Hair. It was BKT like I remebered. The soft, silkiness, frizz free hair. I had friizzy hair on my birthday, because of QOD. I even think I got some damage from it. Never again I may try Soft Liss, but those are the two brands for me.

Is the process eaiser for one vs the other?
Both the same. The only difference is the consistency. Dream Hair is thicker than OK. OK I applied with a brush. DreamHair, I just scooped up into my hands and applied that way. Dreamhair seems to almost "absorb", unless I just used less, but not alot to comb out and redistribute. You don't need alot. Does that make sense!

(you can answer this later) Does one treatment last longer than the other?
That is hard to say, since I do it once a month. Starting in January, I am going to 2-3 months of use. I will see how that works. I already know that my hair can tolerate once a month. Plus, I may flatiron once a month at best. I am going to today so that yall can see my Dream Hair

HTH

 

[AtlantaJJ]

Which do you like better and why?
I love them both the same. My first BKT with the OK was awesome. I did that my second month too. After that for 3 monthes I used QOD , did I mention . So then I tried the Dream Hair. It was BKT like I remebered. The soft, silkiness, frizz free hair. I had friizzy hair on my birthday, because of QOD. I even think I got some damage from it. Never again I may try Soft Liss, but those are the two brands for me.

Is the process eaiser for one vs the other?
Both the same. The only difference is the consistency. Dream Hair is thicker than OK. OK I applied with a brush. DreamHair, I just scooped up into my hands and applied that way. Dreamhair seems to almost "absorb", unless I just used less, but not alot to comb out and redistribute. You don't need alot. Does that make sense!

(you can answer this later) Does one treatment last longer than the other?
That is hard to say, since I do it once a month. Starting in January, I am going to 2-3 months of use. I will see how that works. I already know that my hair can tolerate once a month. Plus, I may flatiron once a month at best. I am going to today so that yall can see my Dream Hair

HTH

I feel crazy because I still have some OK Keratin left. I have the QOD Gold which I hear is Waaaaaaaay better than QOD Max. You have me almost scared to try the QOD Gold!

I like the Global 4%, but it didn't seem to last as long as I expected. I have been working out really hard lately so I don't know if that is the reason or not. I sweat in my hair when I workout and my roots are woo wee The rest of my hair is straight. My roots flat irons so easy though on 300 degrees but I'm trying not to use heat if I don't have to. I might just have to flat iron more often to handle the root issue.

ETA: The OKK is going for $25.00 for 4 oz on Ebay vs the Dream hair going for $40 for 4 oz. If there isn't a difference :scratchch

 

[Love Always]

I know you are adressing Sheba but what's up with the fam members sweating you about your hair?

Ask them if they can find something better and more productive to do with their time. You can tell them AtlantaJJ told them you to tell them that and refer them to me if they give you any static. I'll pay them a visit, next time I'm in town to see my family. (There is a reason I live across country from my family )

I'm sorry you have that kind of trouble with your folks. I know you are going to love the BKT and you should be able to do them yourself.

You know what Atlanta, I have no idea why they sweat me so much when it comes to my hair. With the exception of one of my sisters that really knows about this site I don't get heat from her. The funny thing is a lot of times they ask for my suggestions and I give it to them but I'm starting to believe that they don't like my answers . Anyway, I can't wait to get this treatment done and I'm really enjoying this thread.

 

[Muse]

Well I tried it last night on the roughest natural 4b part of my head, the back. I washed three times with the dreamhair deep cleansing shampoo and applied the treatment to towel dried hair. I then blow dried but I didn't use a brush, I used Pinkskate's tension method. My hair felt rough but soft at the same time it was weird. I then used my Sedu at 410 on very small sections.

My hair got straight but it was far from silky and swingy. It was stiff and coated, so I figured I used too much because I read about that here. I woke up this morning and my hair has reverted to more of a straight blowout than a flat iron. It started to revert even before I went to bed though so I wasn't suprised when I woke up.

I would have to say the worse part for me was detangling without conditioner. That shampoo made my hair so matted on the ends and I am natural 4b so that was a bad combo, I lost a lot of hair. I am going to wash the section I did tomorrow and hopefully it will be a bit easier to detangle. Easier detangling is what I'm looking for above anything else. I think I'm gonna invest in a Hana flat iron so I probably won't do the rest of my head until I get it.

 

[MyAngelEyez~C~U]

Well I tried it last night on the roughest natural 4b part of my head, the back. I washed three times with the dreamhair deep cleansing shampoo and applied the treatment to towel dried hair. I then blow dried but I didn't use a brush, I used Pinkskate's tension method. My hair felt rough but soft at the same time it was weird. I then used my Sedu at 410 on very small sections.

My hair got straight but it was far from silky and swingy. It was stiff and coated, so I figured I used too much because I read about that here. I woke up this morning and my hair has reverted to more of a straight blowout than a flat iron. It started to revert even before I went to bed though so I wasn't suprised when I woke up.

I would have to say the worse part for me was detangling without conditioner. That shampoo made my hair so matted on the ends and I am natural 4b so that was a bad combo, I lost a lot of hair. I am going to wash the section I did tomorrow and hopefully it will be a bit easier to detangle. Easier detangling is what I'm looking for above anything else. I think I'm gonna invest in a Hana flat iron so I probably won't do the rest of my head until I get it.

I really think using the 450 temp is best for sealing the treatment. I noticed that folks are a bit leery about the heat and possible heat damage, but I think the best results are achieved at 450. All my subsequent flat irons (for straight-styling) have been at substantially lower heat than i would have even used pre-BKT.

 

[AtlantaJJ]

I really think using the 450 temp is best for sealing the treatment. I noticed that folks are a bit leery about the heat and possible heat damage, but I think the best results are achieved at 450. All my subsequent flat irons (for straight-styling) have been at substantially lower heat than i would have even used pre-BKT.

ITA

I have tried it with 410 and the difference is quite notable. I sometimes bump the temp down to 410 by accident (the control buttons are on the side of the iron and easy to press) and I can tell when I do because my hair doesn't respond the same when I do the passes at a lower temp. I bump it back up to 450 and then its all good.

That's my experience.