Keratin Treatment Support Thread

[*fabulosity*]

So...I just did my Dream Hair BKT and I am IN LOVE. Dream hair is like 100x's better than Softliss. I'm almost mad I even ever bought Softliss. No matter how much I used, my hair always felt coated and heavy with Softliss but with DreamHair it is so light and soft I don't even want to wash it. I'll post some pics in a min.

Oh.Em.Gee.. I saw your hair.. .and girl.... if I had that hair... you couldn't tell me nuffin!! And what kind of BSL is that... you are not BSL.. that is MBL in my book all day. Your hair looks AWESOME. I mean had I known dreamhair was out there and with a little formaldehyde would not have stopped me and I would've never fooled with softliss!!!! Do you absolutely love the scent? How much did you use of the dreamhair? I don't wash my hair until my next regular cowash... 4-7 days after... I just love that light feeling!!!

I really think we (LHCF ladies) need to be getting a kickback from Anna... I mean seriously... do you know how many lurkers are gonna go and probably still pay full price for it.. just off the strength of your hair!!! I don't know why they don't gear this to ethnic hair...I mean seriously.

My mom and I were in Sally's yesterday picking up her bigen (the only thing that covers them grays.. here in ATL and the lady was like they charge $400 for a BKT round these parts... I was like ... Do I need to get me a side hustle going on ... ... That is ridiculous.

 

[Sui Topi]

Honestly fab I'm thinking about getting the big one and doing my sister for free and all her friends' hair as a hustle. I wouldn't charge 4 hundred though lol that is so obscene.

 

[lilikoi]

BKT Buyers Beware...(EBAY DreamHair Rip off)

I J just got my full size bottle of DreamHair Keratin Treatment (Moroccan). I poured some out to share with a friend and then remembered that I had some left over from a 4 oz sample I got from EBAY (my first BKT). Imagine my shock when I noticed that the consistency of the solutions was different. One was thick and lumpy, like greek style yogurt, the other smooth and slightly runny like diluted sour cream. Guess which was which?

The thick one on the left came form the full size, sealed bottle I just got. On the right, the one poured from my Ebay sample. It's hard to see consistency in the picture, but trust me on this one.

It's not a super-dramatic difference, but it's significant nontheless. I would estimate a 25-30% dilution. I'm so disappointed! How can people be so dishonest! And this is a seller with 100% positive feedback! I don't remember if I ever left feedback (I hope not) but I'm gonna contact the seller and let her/him know I'm aware the samples were adulterated.

BTW, this was the dreamhair solution I used for my first application, which turned out fantastic! I remember Cuteness had asked if Dreamhair BKT could be diluted. Well, here's your answer. I was an accidental guinea pig for that experiment...

 

[*fabulosity*]

Re: BKT Buyers Beware...(EBAY DreamHair Rip off)

I J just got my full size bottle of DreamHair Keratin Treatment (Moroccan). I poured some out to share with a friend and then remembered that I had some left over from a 4 oz sample I got from EBAY (my first BKT). Imagine my shock when I noticed that the consistency of the solutions was different. One was thick and lumpy, like greek style yogurt, the other smooth and slightly runny like diluted sour cream. Guess which was which?

The thick one on the left came form the full size, sealed bottle I just got. On the right, the one poured from my Ebay sample. It's hard to see consistency in the picture, but trust me on this one.

It's not a super-dramatic difference, but it's significant nontheless. I would estimate a 25-30% dilution. I'm so disappointed! How can people be so dishonest! And this is a seller with 100% positive feedback! I don't remember if I ever left feedback (I hope not) but I'm gonna contact the seller and let her/him know I'm aware the samples were adulterated.

BTW, this was the dreamhair solution I used for my first application, which turned out fantastic! I remember Cuteness had asked if Dreamhair BKT could be diluted. Well, here's your answer. I was an accidental guinea pig for that experiment...

Oh wow... I didn't even know people did that.. but I guess... dang.... craziness...

 

[ChristmasCarol]

I'm glad you pointed this out for everyone.

How old is the sample? and does anyone know if BKT has a shelf-life? Just wondering if the age of the treatment could have something to do with the consistency. Oh yeah, was the sample in a clearly marked container, or just in a generic container without the proper labeling - ingredients, etc. Certain products can get watery looking with age and/or heat.

I have bought and sold on eBay for more than a decade with a 100% rating (rare books, not hair stuff) and it would be really hard to maintain a 100% fb rating if you're dishonest. I hope the seller has a plausible explanation.

 

[naturalmanenyc]

Re: BKT Buyers Beware...(EBAY DreamHair Rip off)

That is scary. Using a 450 degree flat iron on what seems to have been 30% water

I'm glad that your hair turned out well. I think you should leave feedback on ebay. I read all the negative & neutral comments when I purchase anything on ebay.

There may be no negative comments because those who purchased from that seller have no point of reference. Had you not bought the actual product & kept buying samples from the ebayer, you would be none the wiser.

I J just got my full size bottle of DreamHair Keratin Treatment (Moroccan). I poured some out to share with a friend and then remembered that I had some left over from a 4 oz sample I got from EBAY (my first BKT). Imagine my shock when I noticed that the consistency of the solutions was different. One was thick and lumpy, like greek style yogurt, the other smooth and slightly runny like diluted sour cream. Guess which was which?

The thick one on the left came form the full size, sealed bottle I just got. On the right, the one poured from my Ebay sample. It's hard to see consistency in the picture, but trust me on this one.

It's not a super-dramatic difference, but it's significant nontheless. I would estimate a 25-30% dilution. I'm so disappointed! How can people be so dishonest! And this is a seller with 100% positive feedback! I don't remember if I ever left feedback (I hope not) but I'm gonna contact the seller and let her/him know I'm aware the samples were adulterated.

BTW, this was the dreamhair solution I used for my first application, which turned out fantastic! I remember Cuteness had asked if Dreamhair BKT could be diluted. Well, here's your answer. I was an accidental guinea pig for that experiment...

 

[lilikoi]

I'm glad you pointed this out for everyone.

How old is the sample? and does anyone know if BKT has a shelf-life? Just wondering if the age of the treatment could have something to do with the consistency. Oh yeah, was the sample in a clearly marked container, or just in a generic container without the proper labeling - ingredients, etc. Certain products can get watery looking with age and/or heat.

I have bought and sold on eBay for more than a decade with a 100% rating (rare books, not hair stuff) and it would be really hard to maintain a 100% fb rating if you're dishonest. I hope the seller has a plausible explanation.

I got this sample in early November. No way for me to know how old it is. The seller explained that they pour the samples in plastic bottles themselves. It had a label with the dreamhair logo, but it was obviously printed with a cheap printer: one drop of water and it smeared all over the place.

I couldn't care less if the packaging is home-made. I understand someone buying a big bottle and selling the rest at a higher price/per ounce. I was OK with that. But the "runny-ness" of the sample didn't look accidental. When I first poured it, it looked just slightly less creamy, but then it kept spreading thinner and thinner.

I checked my ebay account and I already left positive feedback- the shipment was prompt and I thought I got was I paid for. I had to way of knowing it wasn't the real thing...

 

[naturalmanenyc]

You can leave followup feedback.
http://pages.ebay.com/help/feedback/respond.html#leaving

I got this sample in early November. No way for me to know how old it is. The seller explained that they pour the samples in plastic bottles themselves. It had a label with the dreamhair logo, but it was obviously printed with a cheap printer: one drop of water and it smeared all over the place.

I couldn't care less if the packaging is home-made. I understand someone buying a big bottle and selling the rest at a higher price/per ounce. I was OK with that. But the "runny-ness" of the sample didn't look accidental. When I first poured it, it looked just slightly less creamy, but then it kept spreading thinner and thinner.

I checked my ebay account and I already left positive feedback- the shipment was prompt and I thought I got was I paid for. I had to way of knowing it wasn't the real thing...

 

[ChristmasCarol]

Well, I guess that pretty much rules out age. I was trying my best to give the eBayer the benefit of the doubt...but as to shelf-life, does BKT have a shelf-life? I want to know because I have a HUGE bottle and I don't plan on using it anytime soon. I do keep it in a cool place, so hopefully, that will keep it "fresh".

 

[sheba1]

I wonder if this dilution and such could be traced back to the hot and cold response so many have from their BKT experiences.

 

[lilikoi]

Well, I guess that pretty much rules out age. I was trying my best to give the eBayer the benefit of the doubt...but as to shelf-life, does BKT have a shelf-life? I want to know because I have a HUGE bottle and I don't plan on using it anytime soon. I do keep it in a cool place, so hopefully, that will keep it "fresh".

OK, so even though I was tempted to give you a "guesstimate" 'cause I couldn't remember, I actually got up from under the covers and away from the toasty fireplace to check the label of my 1 liter dreamhair bottle to get the correct info (hope you appreciate it). It says it last 36 months! I think keeping it in a cool place it's a great idea.

And regarding the seller, right now I'm really more bothered about the dishonesty than the product quality (or lack thereof). I need to clarify that this might be a reseller. You know, one of those places that sells third party items and shares the profit. So they might be unaware of the scam. That's why I wan to communicate with them before I make a big stink.

 

[lilikoi]

You can leave followup feedback.
http://pages.ebay.com/help/feedback/respond.html#leaving

Thanks for the info. I will wait until I communicate with the seller to add comments. If this is a reseller it's really not their fault but they need to know what's going on.

 

[lilikoi]

I wonder if this dilution and such could be traced back to the hot and cold response so many have from their BKT experiences.

I thought about this but then remember that my best BKT experience was the first, using the diluted sample. I hardly had any issue with fumes and my hair didn't feel coated at all! I thought it was strange how my hair just sucked up the product as I applied it. Maybe the dilution helped the hair absorb it easier by making it wetter...

And while it's scary to think there was 30% water in there, it's not such an issue because the hair is dried prior to flat ironing. IDK, I might be on to something here. It makes sense in light of my disappointing experience with Global 4%. My hair was more damaged (an looked worse) after that treatment than with the diluted dreamhair adventure. Go figure...

 

[sheba1]

^^^ I guess I'm odd because I don't measure how well a treatment does by how it looks with treatment in. My hair always looks a mess after application with product still in... even with dream hair. For me, the magic is always how my hair behaves after the first wash and there after. Not how my hair behaves with the product initially applied.

 

[ChristmasCarol]

OK, so even though I was tempted to give you a "guesstimate" 'cause I couldn't remember, I actually got up from under the covers and away from the toasty fireplace to check the label of my 1 liter dreamhair bottle to get the correct info (hope you appreciate it). It says it last 36 months! I think keeping it in a cool place it's a great idea.

And regarding the seller, right now I'm really more bothered about the dishonesty than the product quality (or lack thereof). I need to clarify that this might be a reseller. You know, one of those places that sells third party items and shares the profit. So they might be unaware of the scam. That's why I wan to communicate with them before I make a big stink.

Thanks lilikoi! Sorry I disturbed your comfy evening for a BKT question.

If they're smart, they'll offer a complete refund - shipping included.

 

[AtlantaJJ]

Jeepers, everytime I come into this thread there is something new going on!

I just want to say I have hand in hair disease since I did my Joico reconstructor treatment after Dreamhair.

Dreamhair is really good if you have hair that tends to be course. I think it can be good for my fine hair too, I just need to use it on my roots for now, and then through the length of my hair every 4 months or so. It seems to have more of a straightening effect on my hair than all the other brands I have tried before. I am thinking this is because I have had multiple BKTs coupled with the fact that I have baby fine textlaxed hair.

No more relaxer for me. I really need to hurry up and sell this Mizani Butter blend kit while its still fresh.

Either case, I'm a happy camper...I can use my big jug of Joico again.

 

[Muse]

That is scary. Using a 450 degree flat iron on what seems to have been 30% water

I'm glad that your hair turned out well. I think you should leave feedback on ebay. I read all the negative & neutral comments when I purchase anything on ebay.

There may be no negative comments because those who purchased from that seller have no point of reference. Had you not bought the actual product & kept buying samples from the ebayer, you would be none the wiser.

@ bolded, exactly! I purchased my sample from ebay as well and I have done 2 treatments with it and they have been amazing but I think this is it for me and buying BKT off of ebay. You never know what you're gonna get. When I finish my sample I plan on buying directly from Dream Hair. Thanks for investigating this lilikoi and please keep us posted on the response you get from the seller (I already left positive feedback but I may follow up depending on the response you get). I'm pretty sure there's only one seller selling DH samples on ebay. My hair feels GREAT but if it's meant to be even better than this then it's time to invest a little more money.

Also, lilikoi, I would love to hear about your 1st treatment with the DH bought from the company and how it compares to the ebay sample.

 

[Muse]

I was re-watching Brittany's BKT videos on youtube and she mentioned that since she does the treatment regularly, never letting it wear off, she has no need to worry about protein/moisture balance. She said she doesn't even use a moisturizing shampoo because they don't clean her hair/scalp well (that's me). She just uses a regular one. I have been using Elucence clarifying because it cleans my scalp very well and it's gentle but it's still considered clarifying so I got kinda scared to use it weekly but since BKT my hair feels fine, no dryness.

Anyway, do those of you who never let BKT wear off find that you don't need to worry about the whole protein/moisture balance? I hope that's the case for me because that whole balancing act is too much of a hassle!

 

[AtlantaJJ]

I was re-watching Brittany's BKT videos on youtube and she mentioned that since she does the treatment regularly, never letting it wear off, she has no need to worry about protein/moisture balance. She said she doesn't even use a moisturizing shampoo because they don't clean her hair/scalp well (that's me). She just uses a regular one. I have been using Elucence clarifying because it cleans my scalp very well and it's gentle but it's still considered clarifying so I got kinda scared to use it weekly but since BKT my hair feels fine, no dryness.

Anyway, do those of you who never let BKT wear off find that you don't need to worry about the whole protein/moisture balance? I hope that's the case for me because that whole balancing act is too much of a hassle!

I have fine hair. I need to keep up with my protein but I never have a dryness problem, in fact, I don't like to use deep moisture because I can tell it wears my BKT off because my cellophane color bleeds when I use them. I don't need the deep moisture. I just use a condish with a cone in it after my protein for slip and I'm good to go. That's my experience.

I have to keep my protein up because of my textlaxed ends.

 

[Muse]

I have fine hair. I need to keep up with my protein but I never have a dryness problem, in fact, I don't like to use deep moisture because I can tell it wears my BKT off because my cellophane color bleeds when I use them. I don't need the deep moisture. I just use a condish with a cone in it after my protein for slip and I'm good to go. That's my experience.

I have to keep my protein up because of my textlaxed ends.

I see. Do you think you'd need to do protein treatments if you were completely natural?

Thanks JJ

 

[dany06]

i always figured that ebay sellers are cutting their losts on nearly expired bottle or using expired bottles of BKT that still have kick. This way they would get the bottle for greatly reduced prices or free. For some strange reason I didn't really think that they were diluting them. Well,I just know my ebay purchases didn't perform as well as buying straight from the company.

 

[Muse]

i always figured that ebay sellers are cutting their losts on nearly expired bottle or using expired bottles of BKT that still have kick. This way they would get the bottle for greatly reduced prices or free. For some strange reason I didn't really think that they were diluting them. Well,I just know my ebay purchases didn't perform as well as buying straight from the company.

Good point!

ETA: What brand did you purchase from ebay and then from the company?

 

[cutenss]

I wonder why is it that on the DH website, that the different "flavors" of DH are all a different price? BTW, it wasn't me that wanted to know about diluting DH. But I got mine off Ebay too. So I guess it doesn't matter now, cause it seems to have already come that way

 

[Muse]

I wonder why is it that on the DH website, that the different "flavors" of DH are all a different price? BTW, it wasn't me that wanted to know about diluting DH. But I got mine off Ebay too. So I guess it doesn't matter now, cause it seems to have already come that way

I emailed DH about the price difference and the lady (Ana) told me that the Cocoa was cheaper than the other 2 because it was the most popular and they wanted to give the customers a good deal on it. It sucks because I really like Acai and am not too fond of the smell of Cocoa but it's like $70 less! So I might bite the bullet and get it since she said they all perform the same and the only diff is the smell. Don't know if I really wanna pay $70 extra just for a scent, lol.

 

[lilikoi]

BTW, it wasn't me that wanted to know about diluting DH. But I got mine off Ebay too. So I guess it doesn't matter now, cause it seems to have already come that way

You're right--it wasn't you. My apologies my misquoting . It was Texasqt who asked about diluting Softliss (not Dreamhair) in the "BKT Beauties" forum.

 

[lilikoi]

EBAY DREAM HAIR SAMPLE UPDATE:

I'm pasting my exchange with the ebay seller, below. The first email is at the bottom). The seller has a feasible but somewhat unsatisfactory (to me) explanation for the difference between the products. I really hate making accusations without solid evidence (after all, I can't prove the seller altered the product) so I'm going with my gut feeling and dropping the matter.

I'm also telling myself to conduct my future transactions more wisely (e.g., sealed products only...)

********
I can understand your concern but I will tell you that we are not putting anything inside these bottles. I use this product also and I know for sure they can change color from one batch to the other.
Consult a hair dresser about the batches and you will see I am right.
If you don't believe it well what can I say.
We sell these keratins and we get them from the distributor in florida and I would never alter anything like that. I am a certified beautician and I would never sell nor apply a product that would ruin someone's hair. Dream hair is not fully thick nor watery.

I was wondering how did your hair turned out since you used it.
I can assure you that what it was inside that bottle was 100% dream hair product.

About the expiration, they have a shelf life of 12 months. When they are sold I rebottle them from the 32oz bottle so they are fresh all the time.
I am very careful of these 4oz bottles, I use a pump to take it out and weigh them so you get a little more than 4oz.

thank you

(seller)



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From: "Lilikoi" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 4:36 PM
To: "Ebayseller" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Item #___________, Dream Hair Brazilian Keratin Treatment Moroccan 4oz

> I am not trying to "just get money" or get something for nothing. I've been buying from ebay for many years and have maintained 100% positive feedback because I keep my end of the deal. This is not a malicious or frivolous complain. I DID notice the difference between your product and that from the manufacturer. Your explanation (different batches) may or may not be accurate, but I have no way of proving that. Is there any possibility that the product is expired?
>
> With respect to returning the product, I explained that I had used some of it, so were I to return it to you at my expense, would you then tell me I couldn't get a refund because it's used?
>
> I HAVE given you the benefit of the doubt. That's why I didn't jump the gun and escalate this issue without first communicating with you. But please understand that right now I'm not completely satisfied with this transaction.
>
> "Lilikoi".
>
> --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Ebayseller <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> From: Ebayseller <[email protected]>
>> Subject:Item #________, Dream Hair Brazilian Keratin Treatment Moroccan 4oz
>> To: [email protected]
>> Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 9:57 AM
>>
>>
>> > Hello
>> > We get the products directly from the manufacture in
>> Florida. We have these sample bottles so people can
>> try the product because the factory does not make smaller
>> versions only 32oz.
>> > We do NOT alter nor dilute any of our products in any
>> form. It is very sad that you come and accuse us of
>> selling Altered products. The colors can vary as you
>> may not know when they make the products they make different
>> batches. I have been selling keratin for a long long time.
>> > All of our products are 100% original and we do NOT
>> ALTER any of them.
>> > As stated before these products come from the
>> distributor in Florida. They come to me sealed and I
>> personally rebottle them to have them as samples of 4oz so
>> people that do not want to pay
>> > the full price of the 32oz bottle can have access to a
>> smaller amount.
>> > It is too bad that people can come and accuse somebody
>> as others do just to get money or get more product from us.
>> > If you want a refund send the unused bottles back ,you
>> would have to pay for the shipping for them. If the product
>> comes in some way different as we send it to you
>> we cannot give you a refund for it.
>> thank you
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------
>> > From: "lilikoi" <[email protected]>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:56 AM
>> > To: ebayseller<[email protected]>
>> > Subject: Item #________, Dream Hair Brazilian
>> Keratin Treatment Moroccan 4oz
>> >
>> >> I bought this Item (#220500564664 Dream Hair
>> Brazilian Keratin Treatment Moroccan 4oz) from you recently.
>> I paid immediately and left you positive feedback because
>> the item was shipped promptly and I thought I was getting
>> what I paid for. However, I just received a full size bottle
>> of the same product directly from the manufacturer and it
>> became apparent that the sample I got from you has been
>> adulterated. It is thiner and lighter in color than the
>> original product and has a different pH. It appears to have
>> been 25-30% diluted with water.
>> >>
>> >> This product is used in a hair treatment process
>> that uses very high flat iron temperatures. The product is
>> supposed to protect the hair from heat damage. The potential
>> for ruining somebody's hair by selling diluted product
>> (without stating so) is unconscionable!
>> >>
>> >> I am very disappointed and would like to give you
>> an opportunity to correct this before I revise my feedback
>> or escalate this to a dispute. I would like to be reimbursed
>> for my payment of $43.10 as soon as possible. If you want me
>> to return the unused portion of the product, I would do so,
>> at your expense.
>> >>
>> >> Thank you,

 

[*fabulosity*]

Wow....
It's getting hot in the BKT forum..

I got my liters from ebay... Mine are thick. Maybe it isn't diluted? Maybe it is just different batches... hmmm... don't know.

I would hate to have a DH scandal because I don't think I'm ever buying from Ana and her $280/bottle self... Especially from the way she flexed when I asked her for a discount for LHCF people who probably maintained the popularity of this stuff. I mean if anyone wants to deal with her... perhaps someone can reapproach her for a discount... not me. When I google the name... we are the only forum that comes up...

I just did a quick ebay search on ebay.. the morrocan is going for $230 for the liter... did she run all of the other ebay sellers out of town so the only place you can get it is from her.... hmm... I'm glad I got 2 liters still unopened... that should last me a mama for a good long while because this is just foolishness. I won't have to buy for a longggggggggg time and maybe the "hotness" will have wore off some and she can come back to her senses and stop trying to gauge people.

 

[Muse]

Wow....
It's getting hot in the BKT forum..

I got my liters from ebay... Mine are thick. Maybe it isn't diluted? Maybe it is just different batches... hmmm... don't know.

I would hate to have a DH scandal because I don't think I'm ever buying from Ana and her $280/bottle self... Especially from the way she flexed when I asked her for a discount for LHCF people who probably maintained the popularity of this stuff. I mean if anyone wants to deal with her... perhaps someone can reapproach her for a discount... not me. When I google the name... we are the only forum that comes up...

I just did a quick ebay search on ebay.. the morrocan is going for $230 for the liter... did she run all of the other ebay sellers out of town so the only place you can get it is from her.... hmm... I'm glad I got 2 liters still unopened... that should last me a mama for a good long while because this is just foolishness. I won't have to buy for a longggggggggg time and maybe the "hotness" will have wore off some and she can come back to her senses and stop trying to gauge people.

Wow! You are right! Just last week there were liter bottles listed for $170! Now all of a sudden they are $230. Just wow...This price shifting is not looking good. I may do the same as you Fab and buy a couple of liters before they decide to raise the price even more!

Thanks for reporting back, lilikoi. The seller sounds sincere but I don't know if that's saying much. I'll go ahead and order from the DH site next time.

 

[TG2000]

Hey everyone! I'm getting BKT'd today! She's using La Brasiliana. My eyes are really irritated and my nose is runny. Is that normal? Also, after application, she rolled my hair and sat. Me under the dryer. I thought she was going to flat iron my "wet" hair. She said she will flat iron my dry hair. Is that right?

 

[texasqt]

Hey everyone! I'm getting BKT'd today! She's using La Brasiliana. My eyes are really irritated and my nose is runny. Is that normal? Also, after application, she rolled my hair and sat. Me under the dryer. I thought she was going to flat iron my "wet" hair. She said she will flat iron my dry hair. Is that right?

Yes. You have to dry your hair before flatironing. Most directions state that you should blowdry but roller setting is not a bad alternative.