*>Diva Smooth<*-- >An Alternative to Relaxers?<

[Sui Topi]

I joined just a few months after you lol, so I don't know what I really missed... I'm just imagining it from her perspective and I really think some of the comments towards her were condescending and like another person said, if they were really with her in mind, could have been addressed in a private message instead of carding her in front of everyone like that. I don't remember but I think it was even you who made the "Walfare" comment. You must have realized afterwards how that came across didn't you because you felt reason to apologize for it right?

 

[Keen]

Not so much . We already were hostile towards this idea before she even came online. When she did, I mean if my mom came on a forum she wouldn't know what the heck was going on either you know? I don't think she knew what her forum presence could do for her product good or bad. She is just an old school head who figured she could come on here and answer a few questions and things would be straight. Not expecting people to use the standard forum format (ie. straight coming out your face being rude and saying things you know you would never have said to anyone in person) and of course she took it personal as one only could. Not everyone was being arms, but please don't say if you were in her position you would have taken the tones and comments towards you in any way other than a hurtful way. Through it all I mean, she got hot but she tried to be easy afterwards. Also take into consideration she must not know so much about the internet that she thinks that if she posts the ingredients, not even the recipe but just the ingredient list that some wicked person is going to up and take over her enterprise. To be honest, if it really works and is 100% safe as well as natural.......... someone probably would try that still. I want to know the ingredients because like someone else said, I put a lot of work into my hair and I won't put just anything in it. The mineral oil thing is a totally different story, because mineral oil is debatable. If this thing is hazardous like those other natural relaxers, NO ONE should use it. Period. I don't see anything wrong with us wanting to make an educated decision. If I go on LUSH's website, I see a full outline of their supposed "natural" soaps. Some people use them and are happy, and if I see an ingredient in there that I haven't had success with, it is my perogative to purchase it or not. Plain and simple. Why shouldn't I be able to do that with this?

I don't think some people gave her a chance. I do agree that she was not prepared and should have presented herself in a more professional manner (because she was representing her product). But after she came here, reading the entire thread, reading how people wanted the ingredients so that they could replicate it, I can understand her coming here with her guard up.

I was trying to ask questions about the product but my laptop was acting up. From the little she said, I decided to wait and see how it works for others who decided to try it.

 

[sunshinelady]

You sure did. Nonetheless, I've seen worse. Yes, which is why I edited it quickly and apologized. The point was the same. And, I would have likely said it to her, but that's just me.

 

[Lucky's Mom]

Geezz...I want you to be informed...

I was just trying to make a point with the mineral oil comment. I really could make a long list of things that people on here say are "bad" that work for me but that would be a different thread.

I really just didn't like to see the direction the thread went and that is the only reason I spoke up.

BTW.. If you read back through the thread there was someone saying they wanted the recipe. (I'm just telling you because you mentioned it)

You are right... I did say that.... I don't want her propietary information, though.....

 

[HoneyDew]

Okay I am not really into the negative energy on this thread.

But, I think I may try this products.

I already know, considering my habits over the past few years, that I have spent plenty of $$ on products. Some bad, some amazing.

Some are products that I cannot live with out and would have never heard of them if I had not been on LHCF. I mean products and methods that have turned my hair around!

Meanwhile, I have all those products in the PJ graveyard that I wasted money on.

But, you know what, I am okay with that!

I am informed. I know which ingredients are harmful for my hair and skin and I can make better choices than I used to.

I agree that it is not cool that ingredients are not posted. Companies all over post ingredients and I thought it was actually illegal not to make this available to a consumer. (don't get me to lying though)

Most times it is not the ingredients only that make the product, but the method in which they were used to create the product. That is what needs to be protected. People need to know what they are using.

Even still, if the ingredients are on the product I am willing to try it out. I know $40 at this point in the year is nothing compared to what I may be spending over the course of a year.

Plus I would be supporting a black woman in business. I am all for that!

 

[Lucky's Mom]

Not so much . We already were hostile towards this idea before she even came online. When she did, I mean if my mom came on a forum she wouldn't know what the heck was going on either you know? I don't think she knew what her forum presence could do for her product good or bad. She is just an old school head who figured she could come on here and answer a few questions and things would be straight. Not expecting people to use the standard forum format (ie. straight coming out your face being rude and saying things you know you would never have said to anyone in person) and of course she took it personal as one only could. Not everyone was being arms, but please don't say if you were in her position you would have taken the tones and comments towards you in any way other than a hurtful way. Through it all I mean, she got hot but she tried to be easy afterwards. Also take into consideration she must not know so much about the internet that she thinks that if she posts the ingredients, not even the recipe but just the ingredient list that some wicked person is going to up and take over her enterprise. To be honest, if it really works and is 100% safe as well as natural.......... someone probably would try that still. I want to know the ingredients because like someone else said, I put a lot of work into my hair and I won't put just anything in it. The mineral oil thing is a totally different story, because mineral oil is debatable. If this thing is hazardous like those other natural relaxers, NO ONE should use it. Period. I don't see anything wrong with us wanting to make an educated decision. If I go on LUSH's website, I see a full outline of their supposed "natural" soaps. Some people use them and are happy, and if I see an ingredient in there that I haven't had success with, it is my perogative to purchase it or not. Plain and simple. Why shouldn't I be able to do that with this?

That has been the whole story.....

Good news is that someone ordered it here...so we will know soon enough if it works!

 

[Lucky's Mom]

That's a really long response, so I am only responding the part that referred to my post. I didn't read the entire thread, so I missed the post about her hair being jacked up, which was clearly out of line. However, once she got here, I think people were very tame comparatively. Maybe you haven't been here long enough to see the past roastings. I would have said those things to her on good principle and I did apologize if it came off snippy.

Now, as far as I can see so far, most of the people who cared about the ingredients and talked whatever other trash have not come back in the thread.

I never left the thread. I was BLUNT. ( not negative, and not personal.... I said... I need ingredients...Otherwise NO - I won't buy.....Period.)

Then that started a whole debate. The EVIL comments by OHTER PEOPLE........ Uncalled for.
I wish I had never said a word....But other people said they would not buy it without an ingredient listing either...

 

[HoneyDew]

Did you guys see the video (I did not read this entire thread)
http://www.janellebeauty.com/shop/images_site3/diva/howtoapply.htm

Looks like all the model needed was a decent deep condition, especially on those colored ends.

Her hair BEFORE looked like she woke up from a night of heavy drinking and loving making. Nothing a little deep conditioning can't fix.

Relaxer alternative? I don't think so. That woman does not even look like she needs a relaxer, let alone all that heat. She could have skipped 1 or 2 of those heat applications, if you ask me.

 

[Sui Topi]

You sure did. Nonetheless, I've seen worse. Yes, which is why I edited it quickly and apologized. The point was the same. And, I would have likely said it to her, but that's just me.

Okay that's fine. I'm not trying to drag this out anymore because I'm sure you get my point, and I do understand what you are saying too, but like I don't know why past roastings or whatever need to be brought up comparatively lol. If I kill someone by slowly torturing them and then cutting them up into pieces, and you just stick someone with a poison where they will just fall asleep and never wake up, I mean, sure your way is nicer than mine but in the end, we still killed people. She may not have went through it like Candy C and her vendor review or that Shiva lady (I think her name was shiva I don't remember) but its not like Diva was a member and can say "well they weren't as harsh as they usually were. I came off pretty good." In our concern for our hair and whatever other reasons, some of us were not so nice to her period. Comparatively we were nicer than to others yes, but to Diva.... that really doesn't mean anything.

 

[Sui Topi]

Did you guys see the video (I did not read this entire thread)
http://www.janellebeauty.com/shop/images_site3/diva/howtoapply.htm

Looks like all the model needed was a decent deep condition, especially on those colored ends.

Her hair BEFORE looked like she woke up from a night of heavy drinking and loving makine. Nothing a little deep conditioning can't fix.

Relaxer alternative? I don't think so. That woman does not even look like she needs a relaxer, let alone all that heat. She could have skipped 1 or 2 of those heat applications, if you ask me.

Oh my gosh lol

ETA: I saw the video and you are right lol. After the comb went through it she was straight lol. I don't see that happening with my natural hair though lol.

 

[HoneyDew]

Oh my gosh lol

ETA: I saw the video and you are right lol. After the comb went through it she was straight lol. I don't see that happening with my natural hair though lol.

Im sayin, she does not need a relaxer! or relaxer alternative.

lol

And not with my texlaxed hair. NOT HAPPENING.

If myhair looked like that, I would have loaded it up with some conditioner and let it sit for a while, shampoo, condition, airdry and flatiron.

 

[Lucky's Mom]

Did you guys see the video (I did not read this entire thread)
http://www.janellebeauty.com/shop/images_site3/diva/howtoapply.htm

Looks like all the model needed was a decent deep condition, especially on those colored ends.

Her hair BEFORE looked like she woke up from a night of heavy drinking and loving making. Nothing a little deep conditioning can't fix.

Relaxer alternative? I don't think so. That woman does not even look like she needs a relaxer, let alone all that heat. She could have skipped 1 or 2 of those heat applications, if you ask me.

A video! Wow....I am looking............

 

[sunshinelady]

Okay that's fine. I'm not trying to drag this out anymore because I'm sure you get my point, and I do understand what you are saying too, but like I don't know why past roastings or whatever need to be brought up comparatively lol. If I kill someone by slowly torturing them and then cutting them up into pieces, and you just stick someone with a poison where they will just fall asleep and never wake up, I mean, sure your way is nicer than mine but in the end, we still killed people. She may not have went through it like Candy C and her vendor review or that Shiva lady (I think her name was shiva I don't remember) but its not like Diva was a member and can say "well they weren't as harsh as they usually were. I came off pretty good." In our concern for our hair and whatever other reasons, some of us were not so nice to her period. Comparatively we were nicer than to others yes, but to Diva.... that really doesn't mean anything.

I dig. I'm sure we both understood each other before all these long posts as well. *wink*

At the end of the day, I am glad that she is doing something productive. Her website is nice and everything else can be remedied.

I still hope the Mods will make this thread disappear because it comes up on the first page of a google search. That may make it hard for her in the future.

 

[Keen]

Oh my gosh lol

ETA: I saw the video and you are right lol. After the comb went through it she was straight lol. I don't see that happening with my natural hair though lol.

Is the model even natural? Her hair was already straight. So I thought OK Maybe she had flat iron it. But her roots looks just as straight and when they aply the product, her hair did not revert. You know how natural hair revert once you wet it. I didn't see that. Which leaves me to beleive that the girl either has a relaxer or this product changes the hair structure more longterm then 4 weeks.

 

[Lucky's Mom]

I decided to delete most of my comments. There is so much Finger pointing and negative commentary here...Even with the Video!!!

So - I just wanted you all to know why I deleted most of my posts. I have been accused of so much... when I was like everyone else - who said "IMMA need to see ingredients...."

We will see. Someone here will use it. Someone will report back....
So that is that.

 

[Bint Yusef]

Geezz...I want you to be informed...

I was just trying to make a point with the mineral oil comment. I really could make a long list of things that people on here say are "bad" that work for me but that would be a different thread.

I really just didn't like to see the direction the thread went and that is the only reason I spoke up.

BTW.. If you read back through the thread there was someone saying they wanted the recipe. (I'm just telling you because you mentioned it)

Having the ingredients doesnt necessarily mean you can rip a product. There is more to a product than the ingredients. Why dont you volunteer to be our guinea pig and rub this stuff all over your pretty hair and scalp and let us know how it works. Since you require less information and dont need to know what is in it.

A video! Wow....I am looking............

It is nothing here we dont already know how to achieve. The girl in the video is not even natural and she has no new growth. They just teased her hair for the before pic.

 

[Lucky's Mom]

Is the model even natural? Her hair was already straight. So I thought OK Maybe she had flat iron it. But her roots looks just as straight and when they aply the product, her hair did not revert. You know how natural hair revert once you wet it. I didn't see that. Which leaves me to beleive that the girl either has a relaxer or this product changes the hair structure more longterm then 4 weeks.

I think the girl is relaxed....
Also looks like it is a Pre Poo treatment.
I would love to se a demontration on natural hair.

 

[Lucky's Mom]

Having the ingredients doesnt necessarily mean you can rip a product. There is more to a product than the ingredients. Why dont you volunteer to be our guinea pig and rub this stuff all over your pretty hair and scalp and let us know how it works. Since you require less information and dont need to know what is in it.

True.
Lots of people buy etae caramel. If the salon was down the street form me - I would too. I make my own "bootleg" - I am not selling it - nor do I have a desire to. I don't know their recipe/pateneted info. I am not paying 25 bucks to get it from the east coast to me either....ANd since I get constant PM's about it - looks like other folks are making it too.


The rest of what you stated.. Ouch.

 

[Lucky's Mom]

I sent them an email before i posted the thread, Samantha, great minds think alike....

Yea, I thought that was a good idea... But looks like it was not.

 

[Southernbella.]

So basically, it sounds like a deep conditioner to me.

I mean, she said you have to flat iron afterward, so that alone tells me that the product itself doesn't get your hair straight. It probably just moisturizes it really well so that straightening is easier.

I wasn't going to try it before, but if it doesn't change your texture and just gets your hair smooth and moisturized, I may try it for when I flat iron. I'll be waiting for results from the posters who ordered...

 

[lovenharmony]

Sounds like a deep conditioner to me. I'll wait until I hear the results from the rest who ordered this.

 

[sunshinelady]

Isn't this similar to the Caramel treatment?

 

[HoneyDew]

I decided to delete most of my comments. There is so much Finger pointing and negative commentary here...Even with the Video!!!

So - I just wanted you all to know why I deleted most of my posts. I have been accused of so much... when I was like everyone else - who said "IMMA need to see ingredients...."

We will see. Someone here will use it. Someone will report back....
So that is that.

How is posting that video "Finger pointing and negative commentary"?

Anyway, we all have opinions and if that were not the case, the members of this board would come off a fake people with their heads in the clouds.

Anyway, I am not down with the negative energy here (and in other threads). It is not how I live my life. I did not read this thread anyway, so maybe I am missing something.

But investigating a product - we are gonna do.

I am with you on the ingredients.

But I would be willing to try it. I just would be less interested in buying if it is just a conditioner like ones I already have. I think this is just a conditioner, and saying it is a relaxer alternative is misleading. That is very obvious by the video, the models hair is straight - just tangle. She does not need any relaxer or alternative.

 

[HoneyDew]

This thread is gonna get closed I bet.

 

[Lucky's Mom]

How is posting that video "Finger pointing and negative commentary"?

Anyway, we all have opinions and if that were not the case, the members of this board would come off a fake people with their heads in the clouds.

Anyway, I am not down with the negative energy here (and in other threads). It is not how I live my life. I did not read this thread anyway, so maybe I am missing something.

But investigating a product - we are gonna do.

I am with you on the ingredients.

But I would be willing to try it. I just would be less interested in buying if it is just a conditioner like ones I already have. I think this is just a conditioner, and saying it is a relaxer alternative is misleading. That is very obvious by the video, the models hair is straight - just tangle. She does not need any relaxer or alternative.

There were some wierd comments made about the video. I thought they were weird....

I was speaking about what people said to me.... that is all.

 

[Lucky's Mom]

How is posting that video "Finger pointing and negative commentary"?

Anyway, we all have opinions and if that were not the case, the members of this board would come off a fake people with their heads in the clouds.

Anyway, I am not down with the negative energy here (and in other threads). It is not how I live my life. I did not read this thread anyway, so maybe I am missing something.

But investigating a product - we are gonna do.

I am with you on the ingredients.

But I would be willing to try it. I just would be less interested in buying if it is just a conditioner like ones I already have. I think this is just a conditioner, and saying it is a relaxer alternative is misleading. That is very obvious by the video, the models hair is straight - just tangle. She does not need any relaxer or alternative.

Agreed.

 

[Lucky's Mom]

This thread is gonna get closed I bet.

Maybe. Who knows.

 

[HoneyDew]

Maybe. Who knows.

I take that back.

I will be optimistic.

Maybe it won't get closed.

I am glad that Vanessa came to the board. We love product creators on the board.

We will get our ingredient list soon though.

Yall know how we do.

 

[Lucky's Mom]

I take that back.

I will be optimistic.

Maybe it won't get closed.

I am glad that Vanessa came to the board. We love product creators on the board.

We will get our ingredient list soon though.

Yall know how we do.

I am glad she came too!!!

 

[Sui Topi]

I hope she comes back so we can get it straightened out in a civilized manner, but I really think we are just going to end up waiting until that member receives it lol.