Keratin Treatment Support Thread

[Titansgirl]

That means that your hair was repaired...the porosity!!! I'm considering the Sofliff. What do I need to buy absolutely? Mask too???

I purchased the 8oz kit. It came with the clarifying shampoo, treatment, & mask. The mask really made my hair feel really strong. I have had my treatment for 5 weeks. I have been so tempted to use the mask as a deep conditioner one of these times when I wash my hair.

I have done two treatment so far, and it seems like I can probably get two more treatments from the kit.

 

[MarieB]

I purchased the 8oz kit. It came with the clarifying shampoo, treatment, & mask. The mask really made my hair feel really strong. I have had my treatment for 5 weeks. I have been so tempted to use the mask as a deep conditioner one of these times when I wash my hair.

I have done two treatment so far, and it seems like I can probably get two more treatments from the kit.

Yes, you can definitely use the mask as a DC; I think it was recommended in the instructions (I lost mine), but there's so much of it, you might as well... I have used it as a DC after shampooing (I mostly use Hair One, but every once in a while I shampoo then DC), and my hair felt pretty much like it did in the beginning. I love this stuff! I have been airdrying since my first BKT in April, and only used heat last weekend when I did my treatment. HTH!

 

[jayjaycurlz]

I sure do think you can use BKT on your texlaxed hair, Jayjay! You'll get really straight results right out of the shower, though, like Veejee's. Don't use it if you're tryna keep some curl.

Even though I'm texlaxed, my hair is hella frizzy. I was hoping that BKT would be able to tame some of the frizz by sealing the cuticles. I've tried protein glossing, serums, sabino and sprays - still frizzy! I'm okay with it being temporarily straight or are you saying that the texlaxed curls will never return?

 

[Dove56]

Even though I'm texlaxed, my hair is hella frizzy. I was hoping that BKT would be able to tame some of the frizz by sealing the cuticles. I've tried protein glossing, serums, sabino and sprays - still frizzy! I'm okay with it being temporarily straight or are you saying that the texlaxed curls will never return?

They will return. Use ORS Chelating Shampoo and your curls will come right back.

 

[sheba1]

Even though I'm texlaxed, my hair is hella frizzy. I was hoping that BKT would be able to tame some of the frizz by sealing the cuticles. I've tried protein glossing, serums, sabino and sprays - still frizzy! I'm okay with it being temporarily straight or are you saying that the texlaxed curls will never return?

Uh oh... Veejee? Help! LOL

I'm not sure if they return or not, Jayjay. I know when the treatment coats natural hair, the curl returns to the tighter pattern over time. But with hair that has a more roughened cuticle layer, the treatment is supposed to be more "effective" at making the hair straight. Thing is, I don't recall reading whether the hair reverts when this cuticle layer has been roughened. I'm hoping Veejee will drop in and let us know more.

I know she said in an earlier post that she texlaxed recently and did a color treatment. She said that some wave had returned. But I'd love to know; and I'm sure you'd want to know, also, if that wave returned all over or just in certain areas, maybe?

Also, I'm wondering, Jayjay, if the hair needs to be coated with the BKT to seal the cuticle; thereby reducing frizz; if the treatment has to wear in order for some wave to return, wouldn't that then mean you were dealing with the frizz again?

 

[sheba1]

Coool!! Thanks Veejee... I tell ya, you are quick on the button!

 

[Dove56]

Uh oh... Veejee? Help! LOL

I'm not sure if they return or not, Jayjay. I know when the treatment coats natural hair, the curl returns to the tighter pattern over time. But with hair that has a more roughened cuticle layer, the treatment is supposed to be more "effective" at making the hair straight. Thing is, I don't recall reading whether the hair reverts when this cuticle layer has been roughened. I'm hoping Veejee will drop in and let us know more.

I know she said in an earlier post that she texlaxed recently and did a color treatment. She said that some wave had returned. But I'd love to know; and I'm sure you'd want to know, also, if that wave returned all over or just in certain areas, maybe?

Also, I'm wondering, Jayjay, if the hair needs to be coated with the BKT to seal the cuticle; thereby reducing frizz; if the treatment has to wear in order for some wave to return, wouldn't that then mean you were dealing with the frizz again?

Sheba1,

The waves have returned mainly in the middle of my head where my hair is the curliest naturally. The sides are slowly waving up. Without the the color or tex-lax I think the treatment would still be in full effect, but it's nice to know that it does wear out and it can be accelerated with salty/sulfate shampoos.

 

[AtlantaJJ]

I got some gray hairs poking out more than I like. I am going to wash my hair with Nexus Aloe Rid (sulfate) and then do a Cellophane color (contains Sodium Chloride) using a Neutral Protein filler contains Keratin.

I think this will strip my BKT a great deal. I am prepared to do another BKT next weekend if needed.

I'll let you all know how this experiment goes.


ETA: Changed my mind, ran out of time, I will do this one night this week or next weekend.

 

[Reinventing21]

Hi all! I just found out that my beloved Hawaiian Silky 14 in 1 contains stearalkonium chloride (comes from coconut oil & salt)

My hair got in so much better condition with that stuff--I can't imagine hair life without it! What do you girls use for moisture?

 

[Dove56]

Hi all! I just found out that my beloved Hawaiian Silky 14 in 1 contains stearalkonium chloride (comes from coconut oil & salt)

My hair got in so much better condition with that stuff--I can't imagine hair life without it! What do you girls use for moisture?

I love Eluence Moisture Balance Conditioner. I've been using it has a leave-in.

 

[jayjaycurlz]

Do you guys use a heat protectant when flat ironing in between BKTs? You only use 450 degrees when trying to bake in the treatment so I'm assuming that the rest of the time you use more reasonable temperatures and a heat protectant. Is this correct?

 

[naturalmanenyc]

I rollerset in between BKT's but when I do have to flat iron (blending half wigs) I do use sabino moisture block & my miniglide which goes to only 200 degrees.

Do you guys use a heat protectant when flat ironing in between BKTs? You only use 450 degrees when trying to bake in the treatment so I'm assuming that the rest of the time you use more reasonable temperatures and a heat protectant. Is this correct?

 

[AtlantaJJ]

Do you guys use a heat protectant when flat ironing in between BKTs? You only use 450 degrees when trying to bake in the treatment so I'm assuming that the rest of the time you use more reasonable temperatures and a heat protectant. Is this correct?

I rarely use heat but when I do, it is a very low temp and I use heat protector.

 

[sheba1]

Hi all! I just found out that my beloved Hawaiian Silky 14 in 1 contains stearalkonium chloride (comes from coconut oil & salt)

My hair got in so much better condition with that stuff--I can't imagine hair life without it! What do you girls use for moisture?

Awwww, I so sowwy

I like to cowash every other day or so and I then coat my hair with aussie sidney smooth conditioner as my leave in. I love it. Haven't had any issues... not sure if it has that stearalkonium chloride. I'll be sure to check when I get home

Do you guys use a heat protectant when flat ironing in between BKTs? You only use 450 degrees when trying to bake in the treatment so I'm assuming that the rest of the time you use more reasonable temperatures and a heat protectant. Is this correct?

I do my treatment and then I either wash-n-go or wet bun until time for the next. I'm trying to see how long it takes for my third treatment to wear off doing it this way. So far so good, at over three weeks and hair is doing great! With no signs of wear.

 

[AtlantaJJ]

Awwww, I so sowwy

I like to cowash every other day or so and I then coat my hair with aussie sidney smooth conditioner as my leave in. I love it. Haven't had any issues... not sure if it has that stearalkonium chloride. I'll be sure to check when I get home



I do my treatment and then I either wash-n-go or wet bun until time for the next. I'm trying to see how long it takes for my third treatment to wear off doing it this way. So far so good, at over three weeks and hair is doing great! With no signs of wear.

I used a different shampoo conditioner combo last time I washed and I think it had something in it that my BKT didn't like because my hair got a good bit of frizz back with that one wash. I'm going to do a Cellophane and BKT again within the next two weeks. I am also going on 5 weeks post and surprised at the amount of new growth I have I'm going to BKT the NG real good

 

[Reinventing21]

I love Eluence Moisture Balance Conditioner. I've been using it has a leave-in.

Hi ! Thanx for the response! How long have you been using that one with the BKT cuz I just went to check it out and it lists that same ingredient, stearkonium chloride, as one of the main ingredients. I am confused. I googled stearalkonium whatever chloride and found that it's been used a fabric softener and is found in many conditioning treatments. On another it said that it was a conditioner derived from coconut and salt.

I think others have mentioned using Elucence, so does that mean that that chloride is safe?

 

[sheba1]

Hi ! Thanx for the response! How long have you been using that one with the BKT cuz I just went to check it out and it lists that same ingredient, stearkonium chloride, as one of the main ingredients. I am confused. I googled stearalkonium whatever chloride and found that it's been used a fabric softener and is found in many conditioning treatments. On another it said that it was a conditioner derived from coconut and salt.

I think others have mentioned using Elucence, so does that mean that that chloride is safe?

I think if you stay away from sodium chloride you'll be ok. Plenty of ingredients if you combine them can form a certain thing. But the instructions are just stay way from a specific thing; and that's sodium chloride. Some folks decide to stay away with anything ending in chloride and anything beginning in sodium... and I think that's just too much work. I feel if it were that serious, they'd have said to stay away all of those things. Instead the instructions are specific to stay away from sodium chloride. Which is table salt. I add sea salt to that. But if they sneak it in under some other name, they're just gonna have to get me. lol

If it's safe for color treated hair, I've found it to normally have the green light. I still check the ingredients, just to be safe.

 

[Dove56]

Hi ! Thanx for the response! How long have you been using that one with the BKT cuz I just went to check it out and it lists that same ingredient, stearkonium chloride, as one of the main ingredients. I am confused. I googled stearalkonium whatever chloride and found that it's been used a fabric softener and is found in many conditioning treatments. On another it said that it was a conditioner derived from coconut and salt.

I think others have mentioned using Elucence, so does that mean that that chloride is safe?

Since day one! I BKT'd on April 13 and I've used the Eluence since that first wash. Maybe, I should go back to my Salerm 21 leave-in. Off to do more research on moisturizing shampoos without stearkonium chloride. Thanks Reyna!!

 

[Reinventing21]

Since day one! I BKT'd on April 13 and I've used the Eluence since that first wash. Maybe, I should go back to my Salerm 21 leave-in. Off to do more research on moisturizing shampoos without stearkonium chloride. Thanks Reyna!![/quote]


Hmmm...Well, if you haven't had any problems with it? IDK. I remembering someone listing names for salt, but the stearalkonium wasn't one, BUT the word 'chloride' kept bugging me cuz I associate it with salt, so that's why I looked it up. HOWEVER, if your hair has been doing great, does that mean that because it's not sodium chloride, it's ok? Or is salt always just salt? Let me know what you find out. I'm about to do a search too for chloride free stuff, but I would hate for us to give up our favorites if we didn't have to! Thanks1

 

[lwilliams1922]

It's been a struggle to find products with no soduim, chloride, sls,...

I figure if I shelled out that much for the treatment I may as well get the products that come with it (poo and conditioner).

I can tell my hair changes slightly with each cowash, so I dont want to wash it out any faster than necessary.

I'm stalking the UPS driver today for delivery of the poo and conditioner from global keratin. I can post the ingredients when it arrives if anyone wants.

 

[Titansgirl]

Yes, you can definitely use the mask as a DC; I think it was recommended in the instructions (I lost mine), but there's so much of it, you might as well... I have used it as a DC after shampooing (I mostly use Hair One, but every once in a while I shampoo then DC), and my hair felt pretty much like it did in the beginning. I love this stuff! I have been airdrying since my first BKT in April, and only used heat last weekend when I did my treatment. HTH!

Thank you for your reply!!! I'm going to deep condition with the mask on wednesday which is my normal wash day.

 

[Reinventing21]

I think if you stay away from sodium chloride you'll be ok. Plenty of ingredients if you combine them can form a certain thing. But the instructions are just stay way from a specific thing; and that's sodium chloride. Some folks decide to stay away with anything ending in chloride and anything beginning in sodium... and I think that's just too much work. I feel if it were that serious, they'd have said to stay away all of those things. Instead the instructions are specific to stay away from sodium chloride. Which is table salt. I add sea salt to that. But if they sneak it in under some other name, they're just gonna have to get me. lol

If it's safe for color treated hair, I've found it to normally have the green light. I still check the ingredients, just to be safe.

Thanks Sheba! I somehow missed this post yesterday. After my google research I did find that Giovani Direct has it too. Aren't some BKers using that too? You are right that they just say SODIUM chloride but I just wanted to make sure I wasn't going to mess up my BK

 

[Reinventing21]

I think if you stay away from sodium chloride you'll be ok. Plenty of ingredients if you combine them can form a certain thing. But the instructions are just stay way from a specific thing; and that's sodium chloride. Some folks decide to stay away with anything ending in chloride and anything beginning in sodium... and I think that's just too much work. I feel if it were that serious, they'd have said to stay away all of those things. Instead the instructions are specific to stay away from sodium chloride. Which is table salt. I add sea salt to that. But if they sneak it in under some other name, they're just gonna have to get me. lol

If it's safe for color treated hair, I've found it to normally have the green light. I still check the ingredients, just to be safe.

It's been a struggle to find products with no soduim, chloride, sls,...

Oops. I am in the middle of figuring out the multiquote. I think I get it now, but it's too late.

I figure if I shelled out that much for the treatment I may as well get the products that come with it (poo and conditioner).

I can tell my hair changes slightly with each cowash, so I dont want to wash it out any faster than necessary.

I'm stalking the UPS driver today for delivery of the poo and conditioner from global keratin. I can post the ingredients when it arrives if anyone wants.

Thanks! I feel the same way! I am set on shampoo and conditioner, but I am looking for a good leave-in that's BK compatible. From what others have posted though, it seems I may be able to keep using my Hawaiin Silky 14 in 1.

 

[Reinventing21]

Oh and I almost forgot! I haven't done a formal review of my Softliss BUT jI just want to say that I wore white all day long and not one broken hair. Hee hee!

 

[MissRissa]

ok my wash and go's are getting better. now it's possible that i may be stripping the treatment because the shampoo i've been using doesn't specifically have sls in it but it does have another detergent. before my wng's were looking a little stringy but i'm not sure if that was product or not. either way detangling has still been pretty darn good. oh and im really liking that millcreek keratin conditioner. i mixed that with some ao blue green algae mask and dc'ed and my hair felt freaking great. im going to have my hair straighened for the first time since my first wash on tuesday night so we'll see how that goes.

next time though, i will be buying the whole kit. its just easier than sitting on the toilet reading ingredients for 58 minutes.

 

[MissRissa]

ok naturals i have a question. when you are doing your follow up treatments, are yall clarifying to strip the original treatment for just adding on top. i really wanna just paint some more treatment on that super extra fuzzy frizzy patch in the back of my head and see how that works instead of stripping whats already there off.

 

[sheba1]

ok naturals i have a question. when you are doing your follow up treatments, are yall clarifying to strip the original treatment for just adding on top. i really wanna just paint some more treatment on that super extra fuzzy frizzy patch in the back of my head and see how that works instead of stripping whats already there off.

Yep, you want to clarify each time. It won't strip the treatment completely. But it will get anything that could keep the product from adhering properly off your hair. Someone also had a theory that the clarifying treatment would "rough up" the existing layer of bkt allowing it to adhere better.

 

[AtlantaJJ]

ok my wash and go's are getting better. now it's possible that i may be stripping the treatment because the shampoo i've been using doesn't specifically have sls in it but it does have another detergent. before my wng's were looking a little stringy but i'm not sure if that was product or not. either way detangling has still been pretty darn good. oh and im really liking that millcreek keratin conditioner. i mixed that with some ao blue green algae mask and dc'ed and my hair felt freaking great. im going to have my hair straighened for the first time since my first wash on tuesday night so we'll see how that goes.

next time though, i will be buying the whole kit. its just easier than sitting on the toilet reading ingredients for 58 minutes.

LOL I got a visual. I used the wrong combo of some stuff and my hair reverted a great deal after that wash.

It would be nice to get products specifically made for the BKT. There are some other ingredients than SC that helps the BKT wear off faster. I'm sticking with MillCreek until I can figure something else out.

 

[naturalmanenyc]

I have the Rejuvenol BKT after care poo & condish. They both contain hydrolyzed keratin & hydrolyzed collagen. The poo contains Ammonium Lauryl Sulfate & Ammonium Laureth Sulfate.

Hopefully my BKT will last longer this time. I noticed it wearing off at 6 weeks but I did not do the 3rd treament until June 20 (prior one was April 23) so a little under 8 weeks later.

 

[Reinventing21]

Hi ladies! For anyone wondering about stearalkonium chloride--after doing a zillion searches, i found two different brazilian keratin treatments that listed the ingredients in the keratin treatment and they both included stearalkonium chloride. So I guess it's safe if it's already in the bk.