MHM Hangout

[aharri23]

This is where I got my info from too. When I click the link for regular cherry Lola it takes me to her YouTube video. At 2:37 she mixes it and there is no acv in her mix.
This is the clt I use. I don't do the modified cherry Lola which is a combination of that and the caramel treatment.

I do the original cherry lola but I add molasses and honey for extra moisture. I'm probably never doing a CLCT again because I got bana bits stuck in my hair for almost a week. I leave it on 30-60 minutes depending on how much time I have. TBH the original cherry lola and CLCT do the same thing for my hair. I don't really notice a difference

 

[ForestRose]

My hair is dry as a dessert. How long does it take you ladies to do this?

 

[DeeLiteFulEKinky]

I'm sorry. I missed that you just wanted the cherry lola treatment. Quite a few people may be answering your question based on the cherry lola carmel treatment. I don't think there are many ladies if any in this thread that are just doing the cherry lola treatment for the MHM method.

If you are going to use the original cherry lola treatment with such a high ph, I think you should limit it to 20 to 30 minutes.

Why are you choosing the cherry lola treatment over the cherry lola carmel treatment?

I'm glad we are on the same page now.
I chose the original cherry Lola because knowing that acv and bs cancel each other out it seemed like the ph wouldnt be high enough to really have an effect on my hair. That said, that must be why it's recommended to stay on for up to 2 hours. But I honestly can't wrap my head around it being as effective as the original for my hair. So I am happy to have the option. @aharri23 shared he doesn't see a difference, maybe I will consider adding molasses and avocado since I've used those in a hair treatment before finding mhm. At the moment, I don't have a desire to add anything, my hair really loves the original clt mix. I would take heed to have the treatment on for less time and to do it less often. I honestly don't think bs is so bad tho, my usual clarify is bs and conditioner and that ph is 8.5/9.5


In a separate post I will share pics from yesterday's wash day. It was my 7th!

 

[DeeLiteFulEKinky]

I do the original cherry lola but I add molasses and honey for extra moisture. I'm probably never doing a CLCT again because I got bana bits stuck in my hair for almost a week. I leave it on 30-60 minutes depending on how much time I have. TBH the original cherry lola and CLCT do the same thing for my hair. I don't really notice a difference

I honestly think the sweet spot for me is between 30 mins to an hour. Depends on how much buildup is on the hair before applying and how close I am getting to max hydration.

 

[DeeLiteFulEKinky]

Oh yes, I was answering for the CLCT. I haven't done the Cherry Lola without all the moisturizing extras of the CLCT. That is probably why your hair felt rough @DeeLiteFulEKinky.

Thanks for answering regardless but it's good to be clear we are talking two different treatments.

I should clarify that my hair didn't feel rough in a bad way... It was soft too and felt strong. I think I could feel the cuticles lifted. It's like when Im done with the wash and I feel my hands glide down my hair shaft and it's smooth and soft and strong. By the end my cuticles are laying flat.

Eta: by the end of the entire wash session. By the time I'm adding leave in and sealing the cuticles feel flat.

 

[DeeLiteFulEKinky]

My hair is dry as a dessert. How long does it take you ladies to do this?

I think the answer you get will vary greatly since some of us are doing modified versions of mhm.
I can speak for myself and say it's a looooong time. Much of it is wait time and also washing and applying at the end of /start of each step.
For example, I'm doing the original version of mhm as outlined on the website by pinkecube.
Yesterday it took about 6 hours. Start to finish

 

[nycutiepie]

@nycutiepie I use curlformers with my MHM routine every week and my hair is coming along nicely . I like my hair being stretched, I have minimal knots, I've been retaining length, and seeing increase hydration with my curlformers routine. I use the extra wide and long curlformers so it doesn't take me that long to install them since the rollers are bigger. You don't have to only do wash n go's while on MHM. I wear bantu knot outs on my stretched hair on a regular basis cuz that style turns out the best on my hair. I know you didn't ask me, but since I use them regularly I wanted to let you know my experience.

Thanks @tashboog! I'm gonna let my wig go permanently so I'm considering all my style options.

I have more questions if you don't mind. Do you air dry or do you go under the dryer with the curlformers? If you air dry, how long does your hair take to dry. What is the Bantu knot routine you do? What products do you use for curlformers and bantuknot sets; is it something in addition or different than the mhm leavin and gel steps?

I know that's a lot but I'm going to want to stretch my hair as well and I don't want to have to solely rely on heat.

 

[GGsKin]

My hair is dry as a dessert. How long does it take you ladies to do this?

My wash day takes me about 2-3 hours. I water rinse, clay, gel as my main regimen.

 

[discodumpling]

If your hair is dry you should DC before attempting MHM unless your intent is to continue the regi consistently, a one time MHM will give you the same results as a good DC session. A water rinse clay gel session takes me 1 hr max. It really depends on the individual and the type and length of hair they are dealing with and the types of products used.

 

[discodumpling]

Ok ladies i'm committed to the (apparently) half arsed results I got with this mornings wash. I used biolage gelee as my styler and my 1st impression is..I wanna wash it out and put something heavier in my hair. BUT I have learned that to truly give a good styler assessment I need to let my hair dry fully. So I'll let y'all know what it's doing by lunch time.
The gel was super liquidy compared to the gels I usually use. The application was easy but I kept wondering am I using too much or not enough..I just couldn't call it. Now my hair looks to be drying with less definition than i'm used to. But i'm committed cause I gotta get outta here and get to work! Happy Monday!!

 

[tashboog]

Thanks @tashboog! I'm gonna let my wig go permanently so I'm considering all my style options.

I have more questions if you don't mind. Do you air dry or do you go under the dryer with the curlformers? If you air dry, how long does your hair take to dry. What is the Bantu knot routine you do? What products do you use for curlformers and bantuknot sets; is it something in addition or different than the mhm leavin and gel steps?

I know that's a lot but I'm going to want to stretch my hair as well and I don't want to have to solely rely on heat.

@nycutiepie for my curlformers I've done both air dry and sit under the dryer. I usually sit under my bonnet dryer since it's usually late by the time I'm installing them. When I air dry, I usually sleep in them overnight so I guess its at least 6 hours. When I use my bonnet dryer, I usually use it on low heat for 30 min cuz my hair is usually dry by then. Now I let it cool for 20 min before removing the curlformers per @faithVA suggestion then apply argan oil to separate the curls.

For my bantu knots, I use the same products that I use to do my curlformers which is the Blueroze flax cream gel and the diluted kccc. But I only use a dime size per knot cuz I don't want my hair to revert that much. I usually do about 10 bantu knots total then let it set overnight. When I install the curlformers, I apply the Blueroze flax cream gel to soaking wet hair and then I seal it with the diluted kccc. It's not something in addition to the MHM leave in and gel step. It's the same except I use curlformers instead of doing a wash n go.

 

[snoop]

Did you mix the aloe in with your clay? My hair felt hard when I tried it in my conditioner/ leave in but I suspected something like that would happen. I never tried it in my clay.

No. I've never added aloe to anything after discovering years ago that generally makes my hair hard. It's in KCCC. It didn't just feel hard like gel but also dry if that makes sense.

 

[GGsKin]

No. I've never added aloe to anything after discovering years ago that generally makes my hair hard. It's in KCCC. It didn't just feel hard like gel but also dry if that makes sense.

Ok, I am with you now.

 

[GGsKin]

@nycutiepie for my curlformers I've done both air dry and sit under the dryer. I usually sit under my bonnet dryer since it's usually late by the time I'm installing them. When I air dry, I usually sleep in them overnight so I guess its at least 6 hours. When I use my bonnet dryer, I usually use it on low heat for 30 min cuz my hair is usually dry by then. Now I let it cool for 20 min before removing the curlformers per @faithVA suggestion then apply argan oil to separate the curls.

For my bantu knots, I use the same products that I use to do my curlformers which is the Blueroze flax cream gel and the diluted kccc. But I only use a dime size per knot cuz I don't want my hair to revert that much. I usually do about 10 bantu knots total then let it set overnight. When I install the curlformers, I apply the Blueroze flax cream gel to soaking wet hair and then I seal it with the diluted kccc. It's not something in addition to the MHM leave in and gel step. It's the same except I use curlformers instead of doing a wash n go.

Thanks for your explanation @tashboog , I'm glad @nycutiepie asked.

I did mine on damp hair so that it would air dry in time- oh how I need a dryer for my set styles. I just know I would get a better finish. I used way less gel than I usually do for my wash and go because I didn't want to get a hard hold the KCCC gives me. I also didn't want that 'squished flat' look that gel gives my hair when I use it for anything other than a wash and go. Other than slicking, and wash and goes, I don't have much success with gel as a styler.

The MHC Type 4 did leave my hair feeling a little greasy (I haven't had greasy hair in so long) I'll see If it's a problem for me. And the set only really lasted the day. Once I'd slept and showered, my hair had pouffed but the curls were still hanging on. I pinned it in an updo for work.

After work I put in some flat twists and scarf braids. Taking advantage of the stretch I combed and brushed my hair out. This felt good. I think I will try with no product next time, to see how that works out for me.

 

[nycutiepie]

After a simple CLT of yogurt, bamboo pwdr , and oils I had wonderful results with my clay mix today!
4 tsp of Rhassoul
4 tsp of ACV
1 tsp of Silk Amino Acids
Splashes of various nurturing oils (Jojoba, Grapeseed, Castor, Argan)
Water
Great slip and easy application. I smoothed it through my hair and formed 5 twists, so I could snip about 1/2" off of each one for my monthly trim.
I rinsed thoroughly before applying diluted KCKT, a quarter sized amount of Lustrasilk CA, and here is the kicker no gel today but I used Lustrasilk CurlMax pudding sealed with jojoba oil. I've had it for a year and just figured out that I need to seal it with oil to keep it from sucking the life outta my hair! The curls were air dried as I drove around and ran errands and rode bikes and walked the neighborhood with my kids...2nd day hair will not happen and it's OK...cause I bought new gel while I was out. I'm not sure what possessed me to purchase a $16 bottle of gel but I have it. Results to come.

Where did you get that clay recipe @discodumpling because it looks good?

 

[faithVA]

My hair is dry as a dessert. How long does it take you ladies to do this?

With the modified regimen it takes me 2 to 2.5 hours including styling my hair in flat twist. I'm doing a water rinse tonight which will probably take me 1.5.

 

[nycutiepie]

After a simple CLT of yogurt, bamboo pwdr , and oils I had wonderful results with my clay mix today!
4 tsp of Rhassoul
4 tsp of ACV
1 tsp of Silk Amino Acids
Splashes of various nurturing oils (Jojoba, Grapeseed, Castor, Argan)
Water
Great slip and easy application. I smoothed it through my hair and formed 5 twists, so I could snip about 1/2" off of each one for my monthly trim.
I rinsed thoroughly before applying diluted KCKT, a quarter sized amount of Lustrasilk CA, and here is the kicker no gel today but I used Lustrasilk CurlMax pudding sealed with jojoba oil. I've had it for a year and just figured out that I need to seal it with oil to keep it from sucking the life outta my hair! The curls were air dried as I drove around and ran errands and rode bikes and walked the neighborhood with my kids...2nd day hair will not happen and it's OK...cause I bought new gel while I was out. I'm not sure what possessed me to purchase a $16 bottle of gel but I have it. Results to come.

Also, what does bamboo powder do for hair?

 

[nycutiepie]

I'm sorry. I missed that you just wanted the cherry lola treatment. Quite a few people may be answering your question based on the cherry lola carmel treatment. I don't think there are many ladies if any in this thread that are just doing the cherry lola treatment for the MHM method.

If you are going to use the original cherry lola treatment with such a high ph, I think you should limit it to 20 to 30 minutes.

Why are you choosing the cherry lola treatment over the cherry lola carmel treatment?

I also only do the cherry Lola treatment and not the one with the banana, etc.

 

[faithVA]

I also only do the cherry Lola treatment and not the one with the banana, etc.

OK. I just said there weren't many. I think for most peoples hair the clct is gentler long term, especially if done frequently.

 

[nycutiepie]

@nycutiepie for my curlformers I've done both air dry and sit under the dryer. I usually sit under my bonnet dryer since it's usually late by the time I'm installing them. When I air dry, I usually sleep in them overnight so I guess its at least 6 hours. When I use my bonnet dryer, I usually use it on low heat for 30 min cuz my hair is usually dry by then. Now I let it cool for 20 min before removing the curlformers per @faithVA suggestion then apply argan oil to separate the curls.

For my bantu knots, I use the same products that I use to do my curlformers which is the Blueroze flax cream gel and the diluted kccc. But I only use a dime size per knot cuz I don't want my hair to revert that much. I usually do about 10 bantu knots total then let it set overnight. When I install the curlformers, I apply the Blueroze flax cream gel to soaking wet hair and then I seal it with the diluted kccc. It's not something in addition to the MHM leave in and gel step. It's the same except I use curlformers instead of doing a wash n go.

One more question @tashboog Do you comb your hair and at what point during the process?

 

[Honey Bee]

...and here is the kicker no gel today but I used Lustrasilk CurlMax pudding sealed with jojoba oil. I've had it for a year and just figured out that I need to seal it with oil to keep it from sucking the life outta my hair! The curls were air dried as I drove around and ran errands and rode bikes and walked the neighborhood with my kids...2nd day hair will not happen and it's OK...cause I bought new gel while I was out. I'm not sure what possessed me to purchase a $16 bottle of gel but I have it. Results to come.

What do you think about this product? It *is* drying, isn't it? I'm trynna figure out a way to re-purpose it cuz otherwise, it's getting thrown away. This mess had me thinking I ain't have no curl pattern at all.

 

[discodumpling]

What do you think about this product? It *is* drying, isn't it? I'm trynna figure out a way to re-purpose it cuz otherwise, it's getting thrown away. This mess had me thinking I ain't have no curl pattern at all.

Yeah by the end of the day my hair was crispy. I can'tfigure this product out either. In theory it should be the bomb but they might need to reformulate cause no matter how i use it ultimately it makes my hair dry.

 

[discodumpling]

Also, what does bamboo powder do for hair?

In my hair it acts like a medium protein. The high silica content seems to add strength to my strands

 

[faithVA]

Yeah by the end of the day my hair was crispy. I can'tfigure this product out either. In theory it should be the bomb but they might need to reformulate cause no matter how i use it ultimately it makes my hair dry.

It makes me wonder who they test these products on or are they even tested? Does it work on 6 out of 10 heads? When products get 1, 2 or 3 stars it seems like they could not have really been tested.

 

[tashboog]

One more question @tashboog Do you comb your hair and at what point during the process?

@nycutiepie I don't comb my hair per se. I finger comb my hair then smooth with my hands using a downward motion then I apply the curlformer. My hair still turns out fairly smooth. I rarely wear my curlformers as a style cuz I mainly use it to stretch my hair. However, I'll be slowing down on the curlformer sets since it's starting to get humid outside. My styles are starting to poof again so I'm going back to my braid out routine for the summer .

 

[discodumpling]

Where did you get that clay recipe @discodumpling because it looks good?

Thanks! I just used my ingredients of the moment! Generally I try to keep it simple by mixing my clay with either ACV or AVJ, some type of nourishing oil and water. The SAA is just for kicks and giggles...I really don't NEED it.

 

[discodumpling]

The biolage gelee is doable ladies! So it dried into this:

And I like it! While it was drying it looked like I was going to have frizz galore but it dried with little frizz. My application was sloppy because
I was hesitant. Tomorrow i'll do better

The back of my head is a whole nother story. It requires shingling and twirling to realize curls and ain't nobody got time for that!

 

[Holla4mom]

Yesterday I added bamboo extract powder to my clay mix. I used some KCCC to see if it work. My hair felt crispy after it dried.

Today I just water washes and sealed with a little of the watered down flax gel. It's now the end of the day and my hair feels much better. I think that I should accept that aloe isn't really my friend.

Don't feel bad. I tried to make aloe work, too, especially since the aloe vera gel works so well for one of my daughters and is so inexpensive, but my hair always end up feeling rough.

 

[Holla4mom]

The biolage gelee is doable ladies! So it dried into this:

And I like it! While it was drying it looked like I was going to have frizz galore but it dried with little frizz. My application was sloppy because
I was hesitant. Tomorrow i'll do better

The back of my head is a whole nother story. It requires shingling and twirling to realize curls and ain't nobody got time for that!

Lovely. Your curls on the top are so loose!

Our curl patterns are quite different, but we have the same pattern of definition. It seems like your hair is most defined in the crown, right? So is mine. My back is less defined and requires more product and manipulation to get the same results. My least defined is the part you call the undercarriage (or something like that and it's my front sides, below the temple to the ear.

 

[Holla4mom]

I'm glad we are on the same page now.
I chose the original cherry Lola because knowing that acv and bs cancel each other out it seemed like the ph wouldnt be high enough to really have an effect on my hair. That said, that must be why it's recommended to stay on for up to 2 hours. But I honestly can't wrap my head around it being as effective as the original for my hair. So I am happy to have the option. @aharri23 shared he doesn't see a difference, maybe I will consider adding molasses and avocado since I've used those in a hair treatment before finding mhm. At the moment, I don't have a desire to add anything, my hair really loves the original clt mix. I would take heed to have the treatment on for less time and to do it less often. I honestly don't think bs is so bad tho, my usual clarify is bs and conditioner and that ph is 8.5/9.5


In a separate post I will share pics from yesterday's wash day. It was my 7th!

I thought the same thing about it cancelling each other out, however the foaming action created by the ACV/ baking soda seems to help the protein (Braggs amino acids), and moisturizers (banana- you can do banana babyfood if you're worried about chunks), avocado, honey and molasses, penetrate my lo porosity hair better.