The orginal Fine hair thread 2013

[Wenbev]

g.lo and Babygrowth did the sukesh just now. I mixed it with black tea and a couple squirts of honey before applying to my hair. Jury's out on how I'll feel about it; bc of the amla, its very gritty but hair feels very soft so that's nice . I was experiencing some shedding since earlier this week, but I noticed only a small amount of hair when I rinsed and shampoo'd as well as when I was putting in my dc. So that is nice but I do not like the grit. I rinsed longer than when I rinse henna and there. is. still. grit. no bueno.

 

[Nonie]

@coolsista-paris, please mention me when you ask me a question. I don't always read every post so I had not seen your question. If you mention me, I won't miss something you need me to see.

Do you add thé s curl just after thé wash ?

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I think I need to make it clear that I love shrinkage. And because S Curl is my moisturizer of choice, yes, after towel drying my hair, I apply S Curl meticulously: I part a narrow section and apply a sufficient amount relaxer style and then comb the section and repeat till all my hair has slip so I can comb it.

If I don't need to go anywhere or if I plan on wearing it stretched or say I wanted to flatiron or I want to twist it, I would braid it bare and let it dry that way to stretch it. I would not use S Curl.I would use coconut oil if wearing a stretched out puff, use protectant if flatironing, use nothing if twisting.

When i dry with towel i dont add my scurl spray.i just seal in général. I might be wrong.

I don't know what you seal with. I know people who do that and seal with Castor oil or a serum do have soft hair. When I use S Curl, I never seal.

I thought moosturizing with spray will just put me back to high shrinkage.

Needs to be tried to add spray then seal and do whatever i want.

If you are avoiding shrinkage you can't use a product with water so yes S Curl would thwart your efforts.

 

[g.lo]

g.lo and Babygrowth did the sukesh just now. I mixed it with black tea and a couple squirts of honey before applying to my hair. Jury's out on how I'll feel about it; bc of the amla, its very gritty but hair feels very soft so that's nice . I was experiencing some shedding since earlier this week, but I noticed only a small amount of hair when I rinsed and shampoo'd as well as when I was putting in my dc. So that is nice but I do not like the grit. I rinsed longer than when I rinse henna and there. is. still. grit. no bueno.

Yes it is grittier than the henna, but i always add some marshmallow powder and i think that help to rinse out easily!

 

[g.lo]

Nonie , i tried not using product both on me and my daughter.
I have high porosity and DD has low porosity. the technique didn't work for me, but worked on DD.
i will adopt that for my DD, has I really have hard time finding products that her hair like.

 

[DarkJoy]

@Nonie @PJaye @DarkJoy @yodie

Just based on the last few posts from you all, how do you all get your hair to stay stretched (preferably without heat) but moisturised? I normally air dry with S-Curl but that causes major shrinkage like Nonie pointed out sooo, what is a good product that is moisturising but that doesn't cause the hair to shrink over a week let's say? I'm willing to try this out next week.

@HoneyA, I do flat twists out, which is how my hair stays stretched.

@Bublin, did you try it?

I think just letting it dry w/o product every now and then is a good idea. It's a good way to see the state of your hair.

Remember, LIs and other products just hide the true state of your hair. If it is internally well moisturized, it will be soft. It ends up like steel wool (esp for the naturals) then obviously you need more moisture and or protein balance.

If you hair is TOO dry, remember, remedy this just by rewetting and conditioning again if necessary. It's really not a big deal to dry your hair without products.

I do agree with a PP that says it's best to focus moisture on wash days with GOOD DC's and whatever conditioning products work for your hair and its porosity and density.

Though, I don't use commercial products like leave-ins and gels I DO spray my hair with its favorite softening and shed busting teas and I DO seal sometimes with oils and in dry winter with butters or (gasp) grease and JUST ON THE ENDS. I leave the scalp alone except for EVOO and EVCO.

My hair and scalp (which has moderate eczema as well) seem to be doing much better these days with these techniques.

 

[Bublin]

DarkJoy I have literally just finished twisting my hair. i was going to give a full report tomorrow...but since you asked..........

I wasn't brave enough to go completely bare but i significantly reduced the amount of product I used.
As you said above I made a huge effort to ensure my dc was my moisture.

As I'm Lo Po I have started to incorporate heat at every stage to help products to penetrate and it's really working. All those DC's that I thought my hair hated, it now loves because I'm opening the cuticle with heat, allowing it to do it's job, rather than it sitting on the hair shaft. I sit under the hood dryer for my pre poo and again with my dc = butter soft hair.

I usually apply a leave-in, heavy moisturiser and then seal with oil.
Today, I just applied a small amount of leave-in and a small amount of serum, twisted it up and by the time I'd finished my last twist it was almost dry. This is a miracle and my hair is unrecognisably soft.
If you remember any of my previous posts, you'll know that my hair takes FOREVER to dry and then feels like greasy straw. Bare in mind that is another Low Po characteristic but the use of heat to penetrate the dc and the reduction of products have improved the feel of my hair.

 

[Blessed&higlyflavoured]

my fine, fine haired ladies... I'm doing a henna/amla treatment. I added 2 table spoon of henna and 1 table spoon of amla, a blob of yoghurt, a sq

 

[Blessed&higlyflavoured]

Ladies baring in mind that fine hair doesn't like to stew in moisture, how long do you do treatments for? I want to do a henna amla treatment tomorrow and I'm wondering whether i should do it overnight.

tia x

 

[DarkJoy]

Wow @Bublin! course I remember how long it takes yours to dry. That's amazing! Soooo glad a lower product/heat regimen might be working for you...plus it save cash. lol. Please keep us updated. It would be helpful, esp to other low-po ladies!

@llan, I henna now for 3hrs. I used to 6 and sometimes overnight. But 3 seems to be plenty.

UPDATE: So today I did my Ayurvedic reggi and finished with a DC. Now remember, week before last I used the Aphogee 2 min. The co-washed the maybe 4 times the last 2 weeks. My hair is already on the verge of feeling 'too' soft?!

This very second, I'm styling my product-fee hair (just water and tea and adding EVCO to each piece as I twist) in chunky flat twists 3 rows and total ~8 twists (taking a break to type). Have the back done and the front and sides are already dry... and it is still VERY soft on the dry parts...

I guess next week will be another Aphogee 2min treatment. High-po is for the birds!

 

[Bublin]

llan I've never used henna but I only need to sit under the hood dryer for 30 mins for the dc to penetrate.
I've found overnight treatments to be useless as it wasn't enough heat to open my cuticles and the product sat ontop of my strands and made them mushy and straw-like at the same time. Bare in mind my porosity level so that may not apply to you.

 

[laylaaa]

llan


I freeze, thaw and then put my henna on overnight with saran wrap. I'm not sure yet if I should customize my henna so there's absolutely zero risk of over-moisturizing with plain henna for me atm. I follow it up with a reconstructor and THEN an overnight DC to achieve balance. Erring on the side of protein allows me to go nuts with moisture in the end. It works like a charm each time.

 

[Bublin]

DarkJoy
You know right now I'm touching my hair . Lifted up my bonnet and pulled out a twist
Oh my dayz.....this is a different head of hair. I'm not used to feeling butter soft hair, that is fully dry and non greasy. Minimal product is the way to go.

Now I don't want to get the next stage wrong...moisturising mid week. I'm thinking I will just rub some avocado oil all over for nourishment and co-wash mid week for moisture....I mean, if my hair is going to dry this quickly and soft a mid week wash is now possible for me.

 

[keranikki]

I tried the "no product" trend in my hair this evening. I have to say it helped me realize the true nature of my hair. I have high porosity hair around the edges of my hair and low porosity in the crown. My hair is all around soft, but the crown is not as soft as the rest of my hair. I'm thinking I'll add a little heat next time just to get the crown a little more moisture. I don't know whether I should use direct heat just for the crown or heat the actual product.

 

[mshoneyfly]

g.lo and Babygrowth did the sukesh just now. I mixed it with black tea and a couple squirts of honey before applying to my hair. Jury's out on how I'll feel about it; bc of the amla, its very gritty but hair feels very soft so that's nice . I was experiencing some shedding since earlier this week, but I noticed only a small amount of hair when I rinsed and shampoo'd as well as when I was putting in my dc. So that is nice but I do not like the grit. I rinsed longer than when I rinse henna and there. is. still. grit. no bueno.

I tried something diff today. I did an alma/cassia/pink clay masque with marsh mallow powder, hibiscus, honey, rose water, olive oil, safflower oil and lemongrass eo and shea moisture dc. I let the mix sit for about 20 minutes to detangle and the clay must have dissolved all the grit. It was pretty much nonexistent.

I henna'd my big sis and planned to do myself too but I used up all the mix on her big head, lol.

 

[Wenbev]

I tried something diff today. I did an alma/cassia/pink clay masque with marsh mallow powder, hibiscus, honey, rose water, olive oil, safflower oil and lemongrass eo and shea moisture dc. I let the mix sit for about 20 minutes to detangle and the clay must have dissolved all the grit. It was pretty much nonexistent.

I henna'd my big sis and planned to do myself too but I used up all the mix on her big head, lol.

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mshoneyfly did you find bits left in your hair? where do you buy your marshmallow powder?

 

[smores]

I left out the most important part of my henna routine. I sit under the steamer so I only leave my henna on for an hour. Then I only rinse my hair with warm water on day 1. The next day I do my regular wash routine. The warm water, instead of shampoo, keeps my hair from drying out. HTH!

 

[coolsista-paris]

Nonie, I think this is what causes my hair to break when wearing twist outs. The butters make my hair feel soft initially, but it just seems to dry.
Do you seal your ends with anything?

I tried sealing with oils and it works better with blue magic coconut . Weard. I applied to ends my hair felt great. I wanted to avoid using this but im just gonna listen to this hair..

castor oil isnt bad but it really is heavy for me. I might have to try cutting it with another oil.

How about you? Do you seal?

 

[coolsista-paris]

yodie, no I don't. But there was a time I tried out Vaseline at the end of my twists and it was OK. Then I tried a serum (John Frieda Frizz Ease) on damp ends and that was even better because ends didn't feel sticky but were so soft and smooth. But I like baggying and I cannot baggy with those products on my hair or my scalp would itch like crazy. So I just don't bother with products unless I need to comb my hair. I have been in twists since 2009 and just go bare coz I don't like feeling product on my skin and unlike my afro which keeps product up and away, twists hang and touch my face and neck so would make me icky. If I didn't care for baggying, I would probably use a serum on damp twists.

When i use serum on damp it comes out nice and soft. It stays moisturized for days and makes it easier for me.

 

[Nonie]

I tried sealing with oils and it works better with blue magic coconut . Weard. I applied to ends my hair felt great. I wanted to avoid using this but im just gonna listen to this hair..

castor oil isnt bad but it really is heavy for me. I might have to try cutting it with another oil.

How about you? Do you seal?

coolsista-paris, I don't know if you were asking me (you quoted Yodie's post in which it seems there was a mention of me so I got the alert. If you meant to ask Yodie, you will have to mention her so she sees your question).

If you meant the question for me, then no I do not seal. But that's only because I hate product and S Curl alone when I'm wearing my hair out seems enough for me. I've sealed the ends of my twists before with Vaseline and it was fine--I was trying out using S Curl on my twists but I found redoing them with product made my hair feel as if it'd tangle nd knot up. Working on bare hair is better for me. So I went back to no-product twists. And when I wear my hair out which is when I use S Curl, the ends curl back and into the afro and S Curl feels like plenty of product for me so I don't bother sealing ends. I do like serum though and how it doesn't leave my hair sticky so I think if I were into sealing, I'd use that. I do seal my edges with Vaseline when I go swimming.

BTW sealing with grease like you're doing is something many people do so there's nothing wrong with it.

I think Castor Oil needs to be applied to very wet hair so that the water kinda "cuts it" for you.

 

[coolsista-paris]

@coolsista-paris, please mention me when you ask me a question. I don't always read every post so I had not seen your question. If you mention me, I won't miss something you need me to see.

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I think I need to make it clear that I love shrinkage. And because S Curl is my moisturizer of choice, yes, after towel drying my hair, I apply S Curl meticulously: I part a narrow section and apply a sufficient amount relaxer style and then comb the section and repeat till all my hair has slip so I can comb it.

If I don't need to go anywhere or if I plan on wearing it stretched or say I wanted to flatiron or I want to twist it, I would braid it bare and let it dry that way to stretch it. I would not use S Curl.I would use coconut oil if wearing a stretched out puff, use protectant if flatironing, use nothing if twisting.

I don't know what you seal with. I know people who do that and seal with Castor oil or a serum do have soft hair. When I use S Curl, I never seal.

If you are avoiding shrinkage you can't use a product with water so yes S Curl would thwart your efforts.

Thanks à lot for these answers Nonie

i see clearer NOW ;-)

 

[Nonie]

When i use serum on damp it comes out nice and soft. It stays moisturized for days and makes it easier for me.

coolsista-paris, I think serum is an excellent sealant. Better than oils and grease. And as you say, works for days so you don't need to moisturize your hair. Not that it would be possible to anyway since it creates such a good seal locking moisture in and any additional moisture you might try to add out. So you need to shampoo your hair if you want to add moisture. But yeah, like you, I lover how serum makes my hair feel.

 

[HoneyA]

Reporting on the no product air drying experiment:

Ok so I did a moisturising DC and my hair felt soft and detangled as usual up to that point. I was able to finger part and braid it easily while it was still damp with no product and I just put a little bit of olive oil on the ends. I did about 16 braids. I noticed that my hair took a lot less time to dry than if I had applied moisturiser. When I undid the braids about maybe 2 hours later, my hair was soft and stretched. As time wore on it felt as though I need to put something in it, like I needed to moisturise but I don't have anything right now to moisturise with that won't cause it to shrink.

Just recently I used castor oil after I washed (no leave in), flat twisted my hair and let it air dry. My hair was nice and soft. You would probably have to do flat twists each day in order to stretch it even more. This right here will be my simple regi in another 17 months.

Yes, my hair was soft when I unbraided it. I just did straight braids though. I still need to learn to flat twist.

Anyway, I only wore a stretched out puff once in the last ten years, and to do that, I airdried with no product then used EV coconut oil. My hair was moisturized from conditioning so the oil was more like a balm than a moisturizer. To me moisturized hair is soft and mine is w/o anything on it. I may try safflower the next time I consider stretched hair as I've heard great things about it.

It felt soft when I undid the braids. I didn't use coconut oil because it dries my hair out for some reason - by itself I mean. If I mix it with something else, it's a bit better. I'll use vatika oil or coconut oil in my pre-poo mix but that's about it.

Darcy’s Botanicals Daily Leave-in
Shescentit Avocado Conditioner
Shescentit Pomegranate Curl Quenching Conditioner

All of these products do not encourage shrinkage and will keep my hair moisturized for days. I will also use Darcy’s Botanicals Transitioning Hair Creme as a mid-week refresher on spritzed hair. HTH.

I'll do some research on these products you mentioned. Right now I have no other moisturisers that do not encourage shrinkage. Even if I leave my hair stretched for the week, I won't be able to moisturise properly if I don't use my staples.

I think just letting it dry w/o product every now and then is a good idea. It's a good way to see the state of your hair.

Remember, LIs and other products just hide the true state of your hair. If it is internally well moisturized, it will be soft. It ends up like steel wool (esp for the naturals) then obviously you need more moisture and or protein balance.

If you hair is TOO dry, remember, remedy this just by rewetting and conditioning again if necessary. It's really not a big deal to dry your hair without products.

I do agree with a PP that says it's best to focus moisture on wash days with GOOD DC's and whatever conditioning products work for your hair and its porosity and density.

Agreed. It really isn't a big deal to let your hair air dry without products. I would do it again. I'll see how my hair feels by the time I'm ready for bed and if I need to moisturise again.

 

[Nonie]

HoneyA if you feel like experimenting, maybe take a small section that make it damp and then while damp apply a serum making sure to coat it well--doesn't mean use loads; just make sure you smooth it along its length. Then braid it firmly to airdry. See if you find it leaving your hair smooth and soft as coolsista-paris and I have found. I think it works even better if you do a VERY DILUTE ACV rinse as your final rinse just before you apply the serum to the wet hair and braid to stretch and airdry.

 

[HoneyA]

Nonie I'm going to have to go shopping. I have no serum or ACV right now though. I'll see if I can find that John Frieda Frizz Ease serum.

 

[HoneyA]

I usually apply a leave-in, heavy moisturiser and then seal with oil.Today, I just applied a small amount of leave-in and a small amount of serum, twisted it up and by the time I'd finished my last twist it was almost dry. This is a miracle and my hair is unrecognisably soft.

That's one thing I figured out today. I used to get annoyed that my hair took so long to dry. I used no product today and a dab of oil on the ends and my hair was dry in no time.

 

[clbowler]

Hello everyone,

I'm very very new here but I've been trying to do my homework. My daughter (bhndbrwneyes) posted previously about product recommendations for my ultra fine hair. I haven't received those products yet but not knowing she purchased them I went out and bought some myself. I don't have a regimen yet because I am still learning. It seems that whatever I do I continue to experience alarming hair loss. Some of my concerns are...

1.) I wake up with my hair matted so I must detangle. I have been instructed to detangle only while in the shower with conditioner in my hair and only using my fingers. Are there any tips to prevent my hair from tangling at night WITHOUT putting it in twists/braids? I lose hair while doing those activities also. If I can prevent tangling at night then I won't have to wash every day I think. I feel like washing every day would be too much.

2.) I've lost a lot of hair on my edges, can I ever regrow these areas? I used to brush that area to style my hair but I've learned to stop that. Do headbands and gel hurt also?

3.) I tried using S-Curl for my styles but I'm still losing hair while using it (not sure if it is the product of not). I think my hair needs products very very watery in consistency. Does any one know of a good LIGHTWEIGTH daily moisturizer? Would water and a little bit of oil be enough?

Also, can anyone tell what hair type I am? 4-something?
Thank you!

 

[yodie]

HoneyA if you feel like experimenting, maybe take a small section that make it damp and then while damp apply a serum making sure to coat it well--doesn't mean use loads; just make sure you smooth it along its length. Then braid it firmly to airdry. See if you find it leaving your hair smooth and soft as coolsista-paris and I have found. I think it works even better if you do a VERY DILUTE ACV rinse as your final rinse just before you apply the serum to the wet hair and braid to stretch and airdry.

Nonie, you make me want to try this with the serum.
I mess up when I have too many options.

 

[PJaye]

Hello everyone,

I'm very very new here but I've been trying to do my homework. My daughter (@bhndbrwneyes) posted previously about product recommendations for my ultra fine hair. I haven't received those products yet but not knowing she purchased them I went out and bought some myself. I don't have a regimen yet because I am still learning. It seems that whatever I do I continue to experience alarming hair loss. Some of my concerns are...

1.) I wake up with my hair matted so I must detangle. I have been instructed to detangle only while in the shower with conditioner in my hair and only using my fingers. Are there any tips to prevent my hair from tangling at night WITHOUT putting it in twists/braids? I lose hair while doing those activities also. If I can prevent tangling at night then I won't have to wash every day I think. I feel like washing every day would be too much.

2.) I've lost a lot of hair on my edges, can I ever regrow these areas? I used to brush that area to style my hair but I've learned to stop that. Do headbands and gel hurt also?

3.) I tried using S-Curl for my styles but I'm still losing hair while using it (not sure if it is the product of not). I think my hair needs products very very watery in consistency. Does any one know of a good LIGHTWEIGTH daily moisturizer? Would water and a little bit of oil be enough?

Also, can anyone tell what hair type I am? 4-something?
Thank you!

First of all, welcome to the site! I know it seems like a lot of information, but I urge you to keep taking notes, asking questions and pressing forward. The ladies here are extremely knowledgeable, kind and supportive; they won’t let you fall.

Many members have reported experiencing hair loss at one time or another in their lives, particularly around the hairline. Several years ago, the areas on either side of my head above my ears were plucked clean, Kojak bald from a bad case of psoriasis that was at least 3 inches in diameter, and remained somewhat thin and weak until I joined this site and began my HHJ. I was able to successfully strengthen and fill in my edges by using oil, specifically:

- Castor oil, which has germicidal and fungicidal properties that cleans the scalp of any impurities that may be inhibiting growth. It also moisturizes the hair and scalp by attracting moisture to the hair and preventing dryness, in addition to promoting growth and thickness.

- The essential oils of rosemary, sage, and bergamot. Rosemary is a circulatory stimulant for the scalp/hair follicles that facilitates growth and prevents hair fall while assisting with any itchy scalp issues. Sage has purifying, antimicrobial and conditioning properties that helps to eliminate hair loss and prevent hair fall by strengthening and thickening the hair shaft. Bergamot is another highly effective conditioning oil that gives body while facilitating hair growth and retarding hair fall (peppermint is also a good scalp stimulant that encourages growth, but I didn’t use it because I don’t care for the tingling, menthol-like sensation it gives).

The best thing about using these oils is not only can they be added to conditioners, shampoos, sprays and other oils, but they can also be applied directly to a given area. Castor oil is thick and somewhat sticky, and appears to work best when it is diluted with a lighter oil, like grapeseed or even extra virgin olive oil.

Don’t be afraid when you see hair coming from your head because it’s natural for hair to shed an average of 100 hairs per day. My personal rule of thumb is: long hairs and knots = cool; broken pieces of hair, thinning, bald spots = time to hyperventilate into a paper bag and reassess what I’m doing.

IMO, headbands and gel should be fine as long as they aren’t placing undue stress upon your strands. Keep in mind that you can always use diluted conditioner or a spray bottle full of water, oil and a bit of conditioner as a daily moisturizer if you are finding the regular conditioners to be weighty. I would also advise not worrying about your hair type right now; just focus on helping your hair regain its strength and the hair typing will fall into place.

With regard to nighttime tangling and matting, to be quite honest, I’m not sure what to recommend. I think the solution would depend upon your daily styling choices. For instance, if you choose to do what’s called a Wash N Go (dampening the hair, applying a leave-in/moisturizer and a gel, scrunching the curls and letting it air dry), I say just keep washing N going all week by refreshing it each day without combing it. Then, on wash day, you can shampoo, condition, detangle, moisturize and go for another week. Or, you could keep your hair moisturized through the night by lightly spritzing it with water before covering it with a plastic cap. I’m just throwing some ideas out while typing; I’m sure the other ladies will chime in with better ones.

Again, welcome to the site. I hope that this rather longwinded response has helped in some way.

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[Nonie]

@Nonie, you make me want to try this with the serum.
I mess up when I have too many options.

yodie, say no to the PJism drink. If you have something working, stick with it. Save this for the day you run out of what's working and need a backup. Or you can just experiment one day so you know if it's a good alternative (John Frieda is an excellent line for serums so if you buy it and it doesn't work, you can use it over blowdried or straightened hair to prevent reversion. There is a thermal one that might be better to use WITH heat, but years before I knew about heat protectants, I used the plain ol' serum for my final flat iron pass and it worked for me. But to be on the safe side, now that I know about protectants, if all I had was the plain one (not thermal) I'd use it over my hair after it's been straightened to seal out moisture.

 

[Nonie]

Hello everyone,

I'm very very new here but I've been trying to do my homework. My daughter (@bhndbrwneyes) posted previously about product recommendations for my ultra fine hair. I haven't received those products yet but not knowing she purchased them I went out and bought some myself. I don't have a regimen yet because I am still learning. It seems that whatever I do I continue to experience alarming hair loss. Some of my concerns are...

1.) I wake up with my hair matted so I must detangle. I have been instructed to detangle only while in the shower with conditioner in my hair and only using my fingers. Are there any tips to prevent my hair from tangling at night WITHOUT putting it in twists/braids? I lose hair while doing those activities also. If I can prevent tangling at night then I won't have to wash every day I think. I feel like washing every day would be too much.

2.) I've lost a lot of hair on my edges, can I ever regrow these areas? I used to brush that area to style my hair but I've learned to stop that. Do headbands and gel hurt also?

3.) I tried using S-Curl for my styles but I'm still losing hair while using it (not sure if it is the product of not). I think my hair needs products very very watery in consistency. Does any one know of a good LIGHTWEIGTH daily moisturizer? Would water and a little bit of oil be enough?

Also, can anyone tell what hair type I am? 4-something?
Thank you!

Welcome @clbowler. @PJaye has told you most of what I was going to say so I will just touch on what she left out that I believe is important.

First of all, you asked what your hair type is, I believe you have fine 4B hair like I do.

Now I will tell you that my hair NEVER has tangles. And that's because I never let them come to being.

For as long as I have lived, I had never heard of anyone with my type of hair going to bed without braiding it unless it was relaxed until I joined LHCF and I still clutch pearls when I hear of someone doing it--but I have to remind myself that for many natural hair is a new thing. Even my straightened hair gets braided for the night (far right below).

Our hair is so coily and has so much shrinkage that if you leave it to its devices it WILL tangle and knot up and you will either take forever getting the tangles out or get frustrated and yank them out breaking your hair.

Seriously it's so not worth it. It doesn't take that long to put big braids into your hair. It keeps your hair tangle free so you can easily comb it in the morning.

Also, S Curl IMO is one of the best and lightest moisturizers for our hair. I think my posts in the thread below will give you more info on how to handle our hair and how to moisturize with S Curl. I do not believe you need to moisturize your hair daily. If you do it on washday and then sleep with a baggy (that's a plastic cap or even Saran wrap every night--after the braids) you will find your hair is so easy to comb and manage in the morning and you won't need to add any moisturizer. It will be soft and easy to manage.

My mom has very little patience and she was blown away by how simple the regimen I share below is. I don't know if the photos are back (the website hosting them was having issues so my photos went missing) but honestly if you follow that regimen, you will never have to detangle because your hair will never have tangles. And as PJaye told you, hair coming out is normal, but if you do comb it before braiding at night and comb it in the morning, (in this video I show how I stretch out my strands so the comb can glide through easily) then your hair will be a breeze to deal with. Although my hair has conditioner in that video, I use the same method with S Curl. Also work on narrow sections at a time. And when you moisturize, use the "relaxer method" whereby you part a narrow section and apply to that section, comb and then move on to another. At night when it's time to braid, also take small sections and comb through them a little at a time then when you have combed through a section big enough to form a plait, braid it up before working on another section. This way you are braiding up hair that is completely free of any tangles and through which a comb will glide with ease in the morning)

The reason I recommend baggying is it helps hold onto the moisture on your hair and also I believe encourages sebum production so your scalp is also taken care of. I don't believe in applying products to the scalp. I let sebum take care of that.

This is the thread I mentioned above in which I was giving someone else advice on caring for 4B hair: http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=526649